National Defense Authorization Act

[Bayerithe]

Why aren't there more/any threads on this new bill that is being proposed/ammended?

Supposedly, the Senate, behind closed doors, added an ammendment that would allow the President to call on the military to arrest US Citizens without access to a judge or due process??

Senators demand military lock american citizens

US Citizens can essentially be locked up indefinitely without charge, and without trial

 

[Horn6721]

However outrageous that is I know the House would never pass it

But the public does need to know what is being proposed.

 

[Bayerithe]

My first thought is the same, there's no way this could get passed, but that was one small amendment added to a much larger appropriations bill.

The public needs to me much more aware of this.

 

[JohnnyM]

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[Horn6721]

You know this points up how much journalism/ media has changed.
The thing I don't get is, sure now that there is a
Dem Pres Dems think it is fine but how would they feel when it is a GOP president.

Update, your link says an amendment to delete this was defeated
why is Mccain thinking to co author this?

 

[JohnnyM]

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[Horn6721]

johnnym
even thouhg mccain co authored this they would need dems to vote for it for it to pass the Senate

do YOU think it is a good idea?

edit to add
being conservative does not mean I agree 100% with anything a Pub does.
anymore than I think you agree with a Dem, Levin, who authored this bill.
do you?

 

[Bayerithe]

No, the provision (1032) is still there. The Udall ammendment would have removed the harmful portions of that to US Citizens in our own country.

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[Horn6721]

how would this align with posse commitatus ( sp?)

 

[71grad]

The story is a load of horse crap. A false story being spread by the ACLU and their anti Gitmo allies like the Huffington Post. It is an out and out lie.

The bill now passed by the Senate states:
Section1031
(d) Construction- Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

(e) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.

Section 1032
(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

The entire text of the bill is found either on THOMAS or at govtrack.us.

 

[JohnnyM]

71grad - what is a lie specifically? i don't think what you posted means what you think it means, but i'm not sure because i've spent only a small matter of time looking at this act.

the bill does not require the gov't to detain citizens without due process, but it seems to give them the authority to do so.

 

[71grad]

71grad - what is a lie specifically? i don't think what you posted means what you think it means, but i'm not sure because i've spent only a small matter of time looking at this act.
the bill does not require the gov't to detain citizens without due process, but it seems to give them the authority to do so.
__________________________________________________Didn't you read the words "does not extend to citizens of the United States".?

 

[Horn6721]

71
I admit I am now confused.
this from the link seems to contradict what you posted
"Don’t be confused by anyone claiming that the indefinite detention legislation does not apply to American citizens. It does. There is an exemption for American citizens from the mandatory detention requirement (section 1032 of the bill), but no exemption for American citizens from the authorization to use the military to indefinitely detain people without charge or trial (section 1031 of the bill). So, the result is that, under the bill, the military has the power to indefinitely imprison American citizens, but it does not have to use its power unless ordered to do so.

But you don’t have to believe us. Instead, read what one of the bill’s sponsors, Sen. Lindsey Graham said about it on the Senate floor: “1031, the statement of authority to detain, does apply to American citizens and it designates the world as the battlefield, including the homeland.”

There you have it — indefinite military detention of American citizens without charge or trial. And the Senate is likely to vote on it Monday or Tuesday.?

 

[JohnnyM]

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