More Union Stuff- Walmart

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How can the unions involved here justify their actions? They dont represent walmart employees.

As far as i can tell, the vast majority of walmart employees havent asked for or want to unionize. Of course the unions want them because they will get fantastic sums of money in their dues.

Everyone here has been to walmarts. They are clean, safe, open, integrated etc. They advertise their wages publicly. people can choose to work there or not or choose to shop there or not. This is just a typical money grab by unions.
 
I saw first hand the way service worker unions try to muscle their way in when I worked for Starbucks who was a leader in offering equity and benefits to p/t workers. The unions in NY would seek out very busy stores with heavy management turnover to drum up support from the baristas. Then they'd complain when in response Starbucks Sr. Management would laud the disgruntled employees with Yankees/Knicks tickets in appreciation for their hard work. They actually filed a complaint with the NLRB about that even though I know personally how hard Starbucks was working to keep both the Barista's content AND get stable management into those stores.
 
This isn't the workers' union. If they want to walk out, let them walk out, and don't let them back in. All they're doing is risking their jobs.

I sympathize with the workers' plight to a point, but you know what you're getting into when you apply for a job at Wal-Mart. They treat their people like garbage, and they're well-known for that.

If their employees don't like how they're treated, then organize through the normal means. If they're not able to do that, then go work somewhere else. Also, quit supporting politicians who favor the EITC. That enables companies like Wal-Mart.
 
Walmart does NOT treat their employees like garbage.
What evidence do you have that that is so?


could they treat their employees better? of course and that could be said for 99.9999999% of employers in the country.

As had been noted no one is forced to work at walmart.

Walmart can be slow to add benefits, they were one of the last to offer employee health care but from 1996 until last year offered health insurance to part timers. now newly hired part timers don't get health insurance. most part timers at any compnay do not get health care insurance.

Walmart working conditions are as good as working conditions of similar companies.
 
I don't have a problem with their working conditions. Their pay just sucks. I sure as hell wouldn't work there. Furthermore, I don't like that my tax dollars subsidize their crappy pay through the EITC.

However, I ultimately agree with you guys. The remedy for a crappy paying job is to work somewhere else.
 
Mr.D
That is what I like about you. You are openminded.

Fair points

starting pay is crappy but it is crappy at most retail places. Wallys is not alone there

Another question is how easy is it to move up?
it seems to be VERY easy to move up

I agree , i hate my taxpayer money subsidizing any entry level jobs but that is the way it is for now
 
WMSC like store sales are not very good at all. their business model is to build additional stores in order to grow their business. for a company that is such a huge success their benefits are far below average.
 
pharm?
" their benefits are far below average. "

What is average?
Can you detail that and list what comparable companies you used to form your opinion?

II am not disputing you . I am asking from where you derived that opinion.
It doesn't appear Walmart has any problem getting applicants.
 
The obvious solution is to shut the Walmarts down. If they have to pay people a lot more than other minimum wage companies, their prices will go up and then people will shop elsewhere, so closing all the stores only fast forwards the inevitable. I'm sure the 2.2 million employees will like getting welfare without having to work.
 
MrD
I know that was tongue in cheek. Otherwise you would be advocating shutting down hundreds of thousands of businesses.

Think how many businesses have positions that pay minimum wage for some positions.
 
MrD

The EITC is not something the free marketplace instituted.
Actually the marketplace did determine what jobs get paid. The EITC is a government originated program from IIRC the mid 70's by a repub POTUS

Prior to that < I guess, people who only made minimum wage were motivated to do what it took to get promoted or higher wages. I am sure it wasn't easy , many sacrifices had to be made and sure there were some who couldn't for many reasons move up the wage ladder.

IMO the current system motivates people to stay in the current system.Why work harder and sacrifice when you can live the same life doing minimum effort?


edit to add
as example
on a sunday magazine show a CEO of a major truckig firm was discussing how he couldn't find nearly enough drivers. he admitted it was hard work but the pay was good.
people would rather stay in a lower wage job and get their EITC and other bennies than take a hard job.
The oild and gas fields are other examples, jobs go wanting there
construction is a really good example, illegal immigrants will do the hard work while others stay in low wage jobs , work less hard and get more from the government. that is a win win for illegals and people gaming the system and a loss for taxpayers.
 
Deez- I agree completely with what are saying regarding the EITC. I realize you are not singling out Walmart as they do what every other company does. I agree the sysytem needs reforming.
 
mrD??

Nothing in what iI posted suggests I am in favor of giving more money to people who didn't earn it.
I just pointed out it was put in place by the marketplace.


I am not sure people taking existing jobs would cause the
EITC to go away. What it would do is create more income tax revenue and reduce however slightly the amount the rest of us pay out to people getting EITC and other bennies.

Relistically I don't see most( not all) of the people who now get EITC and all other bennies giving that up tp take a hard job.

PHARM??
I am still waiting for you to explain how Wally's benefits are far below average.
 
Pharm??
Why is it when you get asked to explain or cite source for claims you make you disappear?
i see you posting on other threads.
This is not the first time you have made a claim and then neer explain from where you got your information..
I am NOT disputing you. I do nto know so I will ask againg
this from you
"their benefits are far below average. "

From where are you getting this information ? How do you know Wal mart benefits are '"far below average'?
 
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