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This evening, the DrudgeReport top story links to this article.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32932...can-aggression-following-air-strike-in-syria/
It was also cited by Zerohedge and others.

But it is contradicted as explained here.
http://theduran.com/exclusive-fake-...eam-and-alt-media-slandering-russia-and-iran/

Fake news story in mainstream AND alt-media slanders Russia and Iran
A fake news story has been circulating on both mainstream media and alt-media saying that Russia and Iran have issued a joint threat to ‘use force’ in the event of the US targeting Syrian forces again. It was also reported that the issue was quoted as being a ‘red line’, a term generally used by the United States.

The Sunday Express and Zero Hedge both site something called Ilam al Harbi media as the source of information for the story.

A quick English language Google search for ‘Ilam al Harbi’ comes up with several articles from Yemen Press, none of which lead to a story about the Putin/Rouhani phone call or anything else concerning Russia/Iranian responses to the US attack on Syria.

Additionally there is a Saudi based telecom company called al-Harbi whose website can be found here. It is not a news website in any way shape or form.

A report from the usually reliable Al-Masdar news has produced an Arabic language document purportedly from a joint military command centre used by Russia, Iran, Syria and Hezbollah. Although, Iran, Russia and Syria do share intelligence and cooperate in the Syrian war against terrorism, the existence of the specific ‘joint command centre’ in question, seems to be misleading and inaccurate if not entirely fabricated in this context.

No such body as the ‘joint operations room’ in this context appears to exist nor has it ever existed according to any source, dating from the beginning of Russian involvement in the civil war in September of 2015 up until today. The reports mentioning the document in question do not for example site the formal joint intelligence ventures of the so called 4+1 Coalition of Syria, Russia, Iran, Iraq and Hezbollah.

In all likelihood, the document is a forgery produced by those who seek to spread false stories about the strategy of Russia, Iran, Syria and Hezbollah. The second most likely scenario is that the document was produced by middle or low ranking military personnel who do not speak for any of the aforementioned parties. Such individuals would likely be enthusiastic patriotic members of the Syria/Russia/Iran/Hezbollah coalition who want to send an unsanctioned and ultimately counterproductive message to the US.

Because the document is in Arabic, it is unlikely to have originated in either Russia or Iran.

The actual content of the well documented phone call between the Russian and Iranian Presidents entirely contradicts the dubious document and is totally in line with official and de-facto Russian and Iranian policy.

Vladimir Putin and Hassan Rouhani pledged to continue support for the Syrian government in its war against terrorism. The two leaders additionally pledged to cooperate further on issues of regional stability.

They also called for an investigation into the chemical attack which America used as the proximate cause of the missile strike on Syria.

Further information on the phone conversation can be found in the original report from The Duran.

It is also unlikely that an inauthentic or totally unsanctioned document was leaked by official sources in order to intimidate the US. With many fearing that the US will indeed push things to the brink of world-war, it is not in the interests of Russia, Syria or Iran to allow such a statement to slip through the crack, no matter who authored it.

Russia, Iran and Syria want to end the conflict, not monumentally expand it as some in the US certainly do.

The geo-political goal of Iran, Russia and Syria are is show a united front and an ability to robustly defend Syria against aggression, but their goal is not to invite a US invasion through the very kind of provocation that America’s trigger-happy deep state would jump at rather than back down from. Instead, Russia, Iran and Syria’s goals are clearly and transparently expressed though official channels.

In this sense the document is of no probative value to the case Syria, Russia and Iran are making before the UN and other official channels: namely that tensions should calm, the US should cease all further aggression and that an international investigation should be conducted to clarify western confusion over the chemical attack in Idlib Governorate.

Whoever has spread this fake news clearly wants to paint Russia and Iran as violent, unhinged and destabilising as the United States.

The reality is in fact almost the complete opposite of what is being reported.

Fake news is being used to try to increase tensions. This is not only irresponsible but it is dangerous, as dangerous as the lies upon which the US attack was based.
 
Fussburger, although you are a fine advocate for the Rodinia, you don't seem to realize the most important distinction between the greatest country that has ever existed, and tin horn dictatorships like Iran and Russia. Due to that very important difference, your advocacy will always fall on deaf ears. Why waste your time? At least Gorbachev understood the issue and attempted to make progress internally instead of acting out.
 
Since your reading comprehension is quite low, I'll explain for you. The post is about misreporting of news, obviously for the purpose of propaganda and/or for titilization of readers. Nothing in the posts talks about ideology. You tend to see and hear ghosts when none are present.
 
I understand the post comrade. I am addressing the bigger picture and your posts in general.
Let me ask you a few questions.
Do you think the US is justified to have sent troops into Syria without permission as we've done now for several weeks?
Should all countries obey international law or is the US exempt as well as our allies?
If the US was justified in launching cruise missiles in retaliation for an alledged chemical attack, why is there no condemnation for Saudi multiple atrocities in Yemen such as bombing civilians or for chopping the heads off of dissenters at home?
 
Do you think the US is justified to have sent troops into Syria without permission as we've done now for several weeks?

Was it justified to enter Pakistan without permission and kill Bin Laden?

We are at war with ISIS. Wanna talk about war crimes, they're the modern day poster boys of constant war crimes and flaunt it with pride.

It's well known we're gearing up to liberate their home base of Raqqa in the near future.

It's absolutely justified to have troops training the Kurds to be effective in this mission and also utilize special forces to weaken the enemy's defenses.

ISIS has to be crippled, that won't happen without some U.S. troop involvement in Syria.

The SDF (Kurds) are currently the closest to Raqqa -- less than 20 kilometers in some places, according to US military officials -- after advancing fairly quickly across barren, sparsely-populated plains. But they are yet to clear ISIS from the town of al-Tabqa, the site of an important dam on the Euphrates.

The SDF has received substantial support from US-led coalition aircraft -- with as many as 20 airstrikes a day around Raqqa recently, according to figures released by the coalition.
Among the targets bombed were two bridges across the Euphrates River that were essential to ISIS' mobility. Now it's much more difficult for them to move in and out of their stronghold.

In the words of US Central Command, "disabling the bridges will further isolate ISIL [another acronym for ISIS] fighters and they will have to take their chances with fighting and dying or surrendering to the SDF."

The SDF's next goal is to cut ISIS' communications between Raqqa and the town of Deir Ezzor to the east, which would make it much harder for the group to use the Syria-Iraq border.

Coalition officials estimate the SDF can muster as many as 50,000 fighters in various states of readiness and ability. The Kurdish YPG are the most effective and numerous part of the SDF but in recent months the Arab contingent has grown to more than 20,000, of whom 13,000 have been vetted by the US military, which means they can receive training and weapons. US support for the SDF has grown to include additional Special Forces on the ground and the supply of a handful of armored vehicles.
 
Was it justified to enter Pakistan without permission and kill Bin Laden?

We are at war with ISIS. Wanna talk about war crimes, they're the modern day poster boys of constant war crimes and flaunt it with pride.

It's well known we're gearing up to liberate their home base of Raqqa in the near future.

It's absolutely justified to have troops training the Kurds to be effective in this mission and also utilize special forces to weaken the enemy's defenses.

ISIS has to be crippled, that won't happen without some U.S. troop involvement in Syria.

The SDF (Kurds) are currently the closest to Raqqa -- less than 20 kilometers in some places, according to US military officials -- after advancing fairly quickly across barren, sparsely-populated plains. But they are yet to clear ISIS from the town of al-Tabqa, the site of an important dam on the Euphrates.

The SDF has received substantial support from US-led coalition aircraft -- with as many as 20 airstrikes a day around Raqqa recently, according to figures released by the coalition.
Among the targets bombed were two bridges across the Euphrates River that were essential to ISIS' mobility. Now it's much more difficult for them to move in and out of their stronghold.

In the words of US Central Command, "disabling the bridges will further isolate ISIL [another acronym for ISIS] fighters and they will have to take their chances with fighting and dying or surrendering to the SDF."

The SDF's next goal is to cut ISIS' communications between Raqqa and the town of Deir Ezzor to the east, which would make it much harder for the group to use the Syria-Iraq border.

Coalition officials estimate the SDF can muster as many as 50,000 fighters in various states of readiness and ability. The Kurdish YPG are the most effective and numerous part of the SDF but in recent months the Arab contingent has grown to more than 20,000, of whom 13,000 have been vetted by the US military, which means they can receive training and weapons. US support for the SDF has grown to include additional Special Forces on the ground and the supply of a handful of armored vehicles.
1. The missile launch had zero to do with ISIS.
2. There is a race to ISIS. The US and the Kurds hope to take Raqqa from ISIS before Syria does. There is no cooperation.
3. Yes, it is an effective strategy to use the Kurds to combat ISIS.
4. Your analysis of SDF (Kurd forces) is correct based on what I've read. After they liberate Raqqa, the question is what happens next.
 
Permission?

Are you referring to "alleged cruise missile strikes"? You see, anyone can play that game.
 
1. The missile launch had zero to do with ISIS.
2. There is a race to ISIS. The US and the Kurds hope to take Raqqa from ISIS before Syria does. There is no cooperation.
3. Yes, it is an effective strategy to use the Kurds to combat ISIS.
4. Your analysis of SDF (Kurd forces) is correct based on what I've read. After they liberate Raqqa, the question is what happens next.

Agree on all of the above. The answer to #4 is nobody has a clue on any side of the equation. My take is Syria is unsolvable without more clusterf*ck. I'd be happy with crippling ISIS and establshing 'safe zones'. Let the U.N. figure out the rest.
 
http://russia-insider.com/en/breaki...spond-force-if-us-strikes-syria-again/ri19518

UPDATE: It looks like we goofed. Yes, the Independent, Reuters, and lots of other terrible (and not terrible) outlets reported on this. We had our doubts from the very beginning, but naively thought that the mainstream media couldn't be thatbad. We were wrong! It's been five hours and we've seen zero confirmation from the Kremlin, so we're calling BS.

We apologize to our readers, and will do our best to be less trusting in the future.



DEVELOPING

A joint command center used by Russia, Iran and allied forces has issued a statement saying that red lines have been crossed in Syria and that there will be retaliation if they are crossed again. While multiple sources report this, we think it's unlikely the Russians formally signed off on this statement.
 
http://russia-insider.com/en/breaki...spond-force-if-us-strikes-syria-again/ri19518

UPDATE: It looks like we goofed. Yes, the Independent, Reuters, and lots of other terrible (and not terrible) outlets reported on this. We had our doubts from the very beginning, but naively thought that the mainstream media couldn't be that bad. We were wrong! It's been five hours and we've seen zero confirmation from the Kremlin, so we're calling BS.

We apologize to our readers, and will do our best to be less trusting in the future.



DEVELOPING

A joint command center used by Russia, Iran and allied forces has issued a statement saying that red lines have been crossed in Syria and that there will be retaliation if they are crossed again. While multiple sources report this, we think it's unlikely the Russians formally signed off on this statement.

That bad? They've been exhibiting "that bad" fake news for over a year now.
 

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