Mavericks- Post Trade

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TaylorTRoom

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I've been a Mavs fan for a long time (dropped the Rockets when they made the cynical move to trade Malone so they could stink bad enough to get Sampson). In 1987-88, they lost in the west finals to the Lakers (eventual champs) in 7 games. That Mavs team was young and talented- starters were Donaldson, Perkins, Aguirre, Blackmon and Harper. Key reserves were Tarpley, Schrempf and Davis.

Believing they were just a piece or so away, they traded Aguirre for Dantley (youth for age) and Schrempf for Herb Williams (youth for age). As they started to decay, they kept trading away pieces (Perkins, Blackmon and Harper), until they were the worst team of the '90s. In retrospect, they would have been much better off holding on to what they started with.

Now, they have made a trade to pik up that one last piece- Kidd. There is a pretty good chance, looking at it objectively, that this trade won't work out, and that the Mavs will be no better, and maybe worse, than before. It's possible that the Mavs really had one chance at a title, and it was two years ago when they let it slip away against the Heat. If so, it will be interesting to see what a hyper-competitive Cuban does next- grasp at straws to stay viable, or break it all down and start from scratch again.
 
They made their bed years ago when they put their money in Dirk instead of retaining Nash and building around him. Dirk has come up in trade talks many times and nothing ever happens.
 
I remember those names well.

I didn't like the Kidd trade to begin with. Ok. He can set players up for easier baskets at times. I understand he's supposed to be more of a field general than Harris, fine. However, what little I think we gained offensively is killing us on the defensive end. A Spurs poster said it well right after the trade was made when he said, "who's going to guard Tony Parker?"

Anyway, stupid trade IMO.
 
Kidd looks like he's walking 1/2 the time on D. Dirk or no Dirk, the Mavs lose that game at home last night. You just can't give up close to 120. Doubt they get out of the first round again assuming they make the playoffs. They have an easier stretch coming up which can probably get them to 4 or 5, but they'll have a tough first round series. If they drop 4-5 of the next 10, they are in serious trouble.
 
The Mavericks certainly didn't have the mystique that they've had in the past from what I watched last night. Jason Terry did in the 1st half. They are still damn talented and will break out of this mid season rut, IMO.
But Jason Kidd must be thinking this team hasn't changed a bit since he left.......
 
It didn't matter if Kidd was on the bench when the run was started. Rafer shut down Terry the entire second half. The goose egg for Terry in the 2nd half was brutal. How did that taste, Mavs fan?

Not trying to gloat...well, a little. Objectively, I don't think you all really gained anything with Kidd. If nothing else, your FG% from the PG position went down. Kidd looks like he has no confidence in his jumper, but then again, he has looked that way his whole career.
 
aside from Alston having a career type game where he looked like an All Star - outplaying HOF Kidd and highly regarded JT (Elliot Perry redux), my favorite moment was:

Battier blocks a shot and Dikembe and Scola on the bench do the finger wag in Battiers honor.

Feel the love.
 
Nash is not going to be happy in Phoenix for much longer, maybe the Mavs should try to get him?

btw, with Diop gone,who is the Mavs best interior defender? With Devin gone, who is their best perimeter defender?
 
I think the Mavs really missed an opportunity a couple of years ago. Before the Kidd trade, they had definitely slid down from the elite level, and the Kidd trade was a gamble to get them up there again for a year or two. If the Kidd trade doesn't work out (a very real chance, although not proven yet), the Mavs have to realize their moment is past, and they peaked as Western Conf champs.
 
Kidd should have shown signs of adjusting into the system by now. The fact that the Mavs clearly lack chemistry and have lost more than they've won with Kidd is not a good sign with a little over 20 games to go in the regular season. Right now, the Mavs are mathematically closer to falling into the 8th playoff spot behind Golden State than they are to overtaking an equally slumping Suns team for the 6th playoff spot.

Fairly or not, I see Avery Johnson catching more and more heat for the current state of affairs.
 
as a mavs fan, i'm not worried at all. so what if they've lost 4 of 5. look who they've play'ed. losing nail biters to 3 of the top 4 seeds on the road, and then losing without dirk.... it just doesn't bother me at all. as long as the mavs get the 6 seed or higher, i think they'll be fine. any result in the playoffs will be better than what happened last year.

i'm just not close to hittin the panic button just yet. i actually expect them to win 8 of 10 or so coming up. hope so anyways. it'd be nice.
 
OK, it's lookinh like Kidd has not made them better, they probably match up worse with the Spurs now, and they're older due to the trade. There are rumors of Cuban being upset with Avery.

It may be time to tear it down. If they decide not to, and make a trade to try to stay in it, they need to be sure not to trade youth for age again.
 
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