Malaysian Flight 370...

texas_ex2000

texas_ex2000

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It's Bush's fault. Obama lied to us. Blah blah.

Ok, now that we got that over...what the £¥#?% happened to this thing?
 
I heard on the news on that radar seemed to show that the plane had turned back shortly before it disappeared. Did the pilot/s know/realize something was wrong? Is the fact that there were a couple of stolen passports just a false alarm? Too many questions, so far no answers....
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Maybe a Payne Stewart type accident? Rapid depressurization at cruise altitude and the plane flew/glided down into the ocean? That's almost impossible to believe though. How could the pilots turn the plane if they were unconscious within a matter of seconds? Why would the transponder go out? Why would the plane fly under radar by itself? And 777 don't just depressurize at cruise altitude...forget cruise altitude, they just don't depressurize.
 
It's getting weirder by the minute.

A Malaysian General said the transponders were turned off and then the plane made a sharp left and flew over land for an hour. Then the Malaysian government said that didn't happen. But now they're searching in two different seas and on land.
 
I know that Malaysia has two of the tallest buildings in the world (Petronas Towers) and it makes me wonder if they might have been a target if terrorism comes into play.

Wild speculation I admit, but the plane did apparently turn around possibly heading back to Kuala Lumpur before it disappeared.

It's become rather obvious over the past few days that it wouldn't be as difficult as some might have previously thought. Hell, apparently they still don't even know where this plane was flying.
 
Well, the only terrorist organization that has shown a predilection and operational capability to hijack a modern jumbo jet and fly/navigate it across a vast distance is AQ. But aside from the softer security procedures in Malaysia, this doesn't fit their MO or mission. Malaysia is a majority and large Muslim country. Islam is the state religion. The radio silence from AQ after a stunt like this also is completely out of character.

That said, the mechanical/electrical failure theory is, as a Navy aircrew/intel officer with about 1,000 hours in multiple airframes, more unbelievable. 777s and their engines are some of the most reliable machines ever made in history. Combined with that deliberate u- turn and the sudden loss of a transponder, which, absent a catastrophic explosion, can only accomplished via a procedure, something smells fishy.

Me thinks one of the pilots snapped, hijacked the plane, and crashed it in the vastness of the Indian Ocean never to be found, and memorialized by aviation enthusiasts and conspiracy theorists.

That or aliens.
 
Here is a rather startling conceptual layout of what might have happened, based on FAA known conditions of the 777's airframe.

WAS THERE A PROBLEM WITH THE MH370 BOEING 777-200 AIRCRAFT?

Read that for the details of FAA known airframe problems, and the surmise and concepts of the author putting forth the ideas of what might have happened.

Add that to this FLIGHTRADAR24 replay that is from March 7. I'm outlining details, how to work with it.

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This is a tricky screen. It's a recording of the radar imaging on a flight tracker similar to Flightaware, but I think has some flaws.

A replay of this is floating around YouTube with 200,000+ views, each of two main ones. (SEE LINKS BELOW AT THE END).
One has a voice-over that is amazed at a mysterious appearing plane to the right of the screen that appears, reappears and flies at 5 times faster than all the other aircraft.

On this image THAT IS INTERRACTIVE even in replay mode, you can see a re-tracing and re-imaging of what is actually a Korean airline flight KAL672.

Use your mouse to cover any aircraft. It will paint red and show flight data: flight number, and to the left details of that flight, and a tragectory. KAL672 retracing itself onscreen.

Wait 20-30 seconds into the replay and notice a flight coming out of the main airport. Mouse over it. It's the flight 370, properly labeled MAS370.

This time on this replay tarts at a time of 16:41. See screen panel to the left.
That screen turns into flight details if you click on an aircraft. By de-clicking an aircraft, you restore the panel.

By 16:50, MAS370 is underway outside the airport.
Put the mouse over it. Click on it to see the flight details to the left, and watch it's flight path.

At the end of the path, right at the end, it's altitude goes from 35,000 to zero. Just like that. It alters course slightly for a few seconds, then disappears.

Putting this replay alongside that long writeup, can be interesting. One guess is that the plane did have first slow, then massive decompression to the point the pilots had zero time to do anything, and that the plane disintegrated. But then searches in that area by now would turn up something. But has not.

But that contradicts that the crew said "good night" just before being handed off to the next controller, about the time all radar data disappeared.

If I am a betting man, the flight went somewhere, and if anyone knows they aren't talking. Military radar should know, and given it's the So. China Sea and Straits of Malacca, that whole region is heavily surveyed as to what is in the sky. Believe me, that area is a significant geopolitical hotspot and shipping lanes that are vital to many.

Now here are the two YouTube videos that require you see the real radar replay with ability to mouse-over and study each aircraft. Appears to be an inconsistent tracking program. I've never seen Flightaware retrace a flight.

Final note, that the last word from the crew was "good night" after exchange of transmissions that they were being handed over to the next controller. That is when all contact was lost. Why disappear right when you move over to another controller. What a coincidence, huh.

Overall there should be enough clues to show high probability than what is being told up to now. My bet is that a lot more is known than is being revealed.

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Here's the one on YouTube, now over 300,000 views, in good HD, and no sound track. Shows how mysterious it is if you can't do more with the program. In the a.m. hours last night this had 220,000 views. Another 100,000 for the day have been added.

Youtube of 370, without narration

Now here is one that does not know why KAL672 is retracing. So appears something like a UFO !! The voice-over paints a mysterious concept if one has no other information on how the tracker works, and if the viewer cannot identify any of the aircraft on the screen.
From doubtful news... It's also from YouTube, but showing here on the page that presented it.
The Link

Consider this event a good lesson in the dispatching of information over the Net. It takes a lot of effort these days to ferret out source material and whisper-down-the-lane material.
 
The Chinese thought they found the wreckage in this satellite photo, but it turned out to be Tom Hanks chasing a volleyball.


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Sounds like someone may have stolen the plane. If this plane was stolen, it doesn't have to be terrorists that stole it. But if it is terrorists, then this is probably not the actual act of terrorism. That will come later.

If terrorists have stolen this plane, they have a long distance weapon that would not only be a bomb in its own right, but could be loaded up with explosives so as to make 9-11 look like a firecracker going off in comparison.
 
WSJ said that the 2 Rolls Royce engines continued to send out data for up to 4 hours after the plane went missing.

At 500 miles an hour that means the plane could have traveled 2000 miles away from where it was last reported.

The Malaysian government denies this is true. Malaysian denies everything, but doesn't seem to offer anything.

MA is also "shocked" that one of the pilots had previously invited two hot blonds to fly in the cockpit with the crew for an entire international flight.
 
Give me a break...if you're a young pilot flying a jet and not trying to pick up a hot blonde, you shouldn't have got your wings in the first place.

In all seriousness, guests in the cockpit apparently aren't unusual on non-US carriers. It wasn't that unusual in the US pre 9-11. The rules were no talking to the pilots during takeoffs and landings.

China is also backtracking on the satellite imagery also saying the release of imagery was a mistake and that they didn't show any debris related to the plane.

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Again, 777s don't spontaneously have random catastrophic failures...much less at cruise altitude. That would be like VY tripping over himself on a TD run when he's 30 yards ahead of the closest guy. It just doesn't happen.

Those waters are routinely patrolled by submarines. I'm surprised nothing has been said about sonar contacts from the pinging of the black box.
 
The only positive thing in this bizarre drama so far is the chinese chumps who beat their chests about their "satellite imagery".
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Apparently the White House said they're sending USS Kidd to investigate a potential crash site in...






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the Indian Ocean.
 
Quote on CNN few minutes ago, from John Gaglia, former NTSB Board Member.

This sentence begins one way, then shifts, if I get the second word correct...

"I thought that the data from accidents..in many places of the world that the NTSB has participated in.. and this accident rivals the lowest common denominator I've ever seen."

[CNN: asks, "Meaning?.."]

"Meaning it was a messed up investigation from the beginnig. So, now someone has to say, okay, let's start with a clean sheet of paper from today, and I think that's what they did yesterday. Let's start from scratch and do the radar the way it should have been done from the beginning, and proceed from there."

time stamp -- 1:12 pm CDT, CNN, 13-Mar-14

I paused/replayed over and over, and transcribed best I could.

This is not word for word on the next part... with Les Abend, Commercial Pilot with 30,000 hours experience and Sr. Contributor, Flying Magazine, sitting with the CNN host while on the phone with the NTSB former Board Member... discussed on-board capability to transmit data of altitude, attitude, heading, so forth... back to Malaysian Airlines... John Gaglia interrupted with this: Malaysia Airlines did not keep that package... stopped paying for it after considering it too expensive, only kept the engine package (that transmits data on the engines) because it saved on maintenance costs. The other data is later available with a download (after the fact) but the airline did not want to pay for the continuous transmission.
 
That makes as much sense as most things on CNN.

Now U.S. intelligence thinks it went down in Indian Ocean. U.S.Navy is sending a vessel to check it out.
 
Just throwing this out there.

Somalia.

Data doesn't suggest this was a mechanical accident.

The ACARS data doesn't suggest this was a pilot suicide.

If you're going to crash the plane intentionally as a terrorist, you wouldn't fly 4 hours and crash in the middle of the Indian Ocean. And if you were part of some terrorist group other than AQ who has show the ability to do this but also has a Dr. Evil level of stupidity with coming up with such a dumb plan...we would have heard the boasting from the bosses by now and probably would have found some wreakge. I say other than AQ because they don't come up with dumb plans.
 
This could be a very smart plan by AQ, to not boast and let us know what it has, and the potential it has.

Why would AQ want to put more of a spotlight on themselves by admitting they have the plane? If it has indeed been hijacked I believe AQ is behind it, and the really scary thing is it an be used for trade (N. Korea) hold nukes, dirty bomb,etc., not just utilized once to fly into a building.

I know It can take a while for debris to show, but something should be showing by now. Those poor families. I can't even imagine.
 
One problem with my hijacking theory is that it would require at least one if not more hijackers including the/their pilot to collect every cell phone. From what we know, that's a little unbelievable right now from the passenger list. Unless passengers were able to pull off a United 93 over the Indian Ocean, or they weren't all dead from hypoxia (I would think ACARS reports on cabin pressure) , I gotta believe at least one passenger would have been able to make a call once they were near land and at a low altitutude.

There are also a lot of naval ships near the Horn of Africa. They don't keep their radars on 24/7, but they want to see when aircraft are approaching their airspace. In that case, it's hard to believe none of them wouldn't have picked it up on their scopes.
 
Why isn't the captain a prime suspect? He had a simulator at his home and studied/trained constantly. He would have been the most capable person on board to pull off a SPECTER mission.
 
data throughout Fri, into the evening, parallels my suspicions for the past two days

interesting what US personnel have been able to put together, than was done before they got hold of the data

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It truly amazes me that in this day and technology driven age that a plane can disappear, fly for hours and no one have a clue where it is. Why would there be any chance that a transponder could be disabled manually during flight? Seems to me a no brainer that it should be controlled remotely with zero on board access.
 
Transponder codes may have to be changed midflight. E.g. squak emergency or hijacking. A flight going from one airspace to another might change their code. You can't also have transponders on the ground squaking.
 
The news keeps hitting at the fact that for the plane to be landed anywhere would be a challenging task for anyone taking over the flight. Even if you have a long enough runway, the plane lands best with proper ground electronics. How can you just put it down "any old where."

The news is slow to put a strong focus on the fact that there is a person on board who is one of the most qualified persons in the world to handle the Triple-7. The Captain.

He has over 18,000 flying hours. He built his own home-built 777 simulator and also loves to fly remote control model planes. He is a top pilot of the 777 and is qualified not only as a 777 trainer but can give check rides to other pilots. The news reports are saying that for anyone to take over the plane and make it "go dark" and fly to dawn the next day, possibly land somewhere, anywhere, would require an expert on the whole aircraft. Well?...

As of today, the reports say the plane could have flown for 7 more hours, not just 5, and all the way to Kazakhstan. Could the plane land at some remote location, even on some long flat space without any ground support at all? If anyone could, this Captain, I would think, could.
 
You bring up some interesting points Hu.

If the pilot was planning on crashing the plane, why would he fly for 7 hours before doing so? Also, the simulator at home lends credence to the theory that he was practicing for a difficult landing in a remote location.
 
Too bad Tom Clancy ain't around to do some TV consulting on this. Not the best writer, but the guy could spin a good yarn.
 
Everything on the present CNN hour also backs a point to the pilot. They mentioned the ongoing political trial. Check this from the Daily Mail.
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