Mack Brown's promises ...

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Texas coach Mack Brown has said he plans to keep the wide-open offensive approach UT had in a Holiday Bowl victory over Arizona State (TD pass to a DT lined up at fullback, reverses and a reverse pass and using John Chiles at QB as change of pace to Colt McCoy).

Brown also says he plans to do away with redshirting and play more first-year players - something he's been reluctant to do in the past because he doesn't like youngins making mistakes and losing confidence.

Here's the question: Do you think Mack Brown will make good on both of these vows?

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Posted by RMG @ 5:16 PM Fri, May 09, 2008

Yes, I do believe that Coach Brown will stick to both vows because he saw what happened to his team in the Holiday Bowl. Plus, with all the young defensive talent that Coach Brown has why wouldn't he play the young guys since he has no idea who will start or backup.

Posted by surf cat @ 7:16 PM Fri, May 09, 2008

i doubt it. not letting sergio kindle start last yearwas a waste. we needed aplaymaker with a nose for the ball. browns reason, the seniors had earned it. not a word about best player. browns coaching is about what make the old man feel good.
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Posted by Joe @ 11:54 PM Fri, May 09, 2008

Mack makes the same promises every year.

And every year it takes several losses for him to make good on his promises.

But every year, except for 2005, it's too little, too late.

Mack's too conservative & stubborn to change his ways for good.
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Posted by gene @ 6:32 AM Sat, May 10, 2008

Mack's style of play, philosophy on redshirts etc., seems to be determined 100 percent by who his coordinators are. So my answer is: promises of offensive changes: no; promises of defensive changes: yes.
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Posted by danny @ 1:37 PM Sat, May 10, 2008

i hope mack sticks to his promise. i doubt that when a game is on the line the younger players will play.mack`s history is to play older players until we lose a game then the younger players start playing more.prove me wrong mack.HOOK`EM HORNS
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Posted by Jamey @ 2:05 PM Sat, May 10, 2008

Mack does this every year. His favorite thing to say is "we've got to do a better job of...". Last year, it was that Texas needed to get it's backup QB more meaningful PT. And of course, that never happened. I hate to say it, but he will never win another big 12 championship or get to a BCS bowl without a bigtime playmaker at QB. It's 2008 and he still uses those lame WR reverses that everyone can see from a mile away and still throws the 2 yard hitch that has never yielded a big-time gain from someone not name Roy Williams. The more he promises, the more things stay the same. Losing two straight years to an average Aggsy team was a disgrace to Texas football.

I like Mack Brown as a person and I'm glad he came to Texas, but he's not a great football mind and has never been one. He reminds me more of a politician than a football coach. Promises, promises.


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I think Mack will do so, at least as far as playing younger players is concerned. Starting with Vince, we've seen a growing exodus of early departures for the NFL. That makes it more risky to burn schollies on talented redshirts. Redshirts only make sense when the depth chart is overloaded, or if it's clear that the incoming player is simply too underdeveloped to have a prayer of making any contributions as a freshman.

In regards to a more wide-open offense, I guess it depends on whether Mack is willing to lean on GD to call more "out of the box" plays.
 
the problem with Mack lately though is that he's basically wasting a year giving meaningless PT to guys like Chiles, Kindle, Nate Jones, etc.
They basically wasted Nate Jones's scholly on 2 games where he played blocker late in blowouts. He should be a senior this year. Same can be said for Kindle and probably Chykie Brown and Beasly, although Brown may have redshirted last year i not sure. If he's going to play these kids, he needs to get them in every game when it counts. Not just in a couple of games before conference play and never play them again.
 
The unfortunate fact is that there will always be talented guys with lots of "potential" who will never get as much playing time as they (or their fans) think they deserve. Only 11 players can be on the field for us during the 60-minute game, so that's 660 minutes of playing time that has to be divided between 85+ players. That averages out to under 8 minutes of playing time per player. The fact is that some guys will be also-rans, which is too bad, but it's the nature of competition.
 
For what it's worth, Tressel's guideline on incoming frosh is that about half the class will redshirt and half will play. I think he uses it as motivation to see which frosh will get up to speed the fastest and who has the most desire to play.

I think it's a big recruiting plus for Ohio State that recruits see that there is a track record of true frosh playing.
 
100p, I guess all the GD-bashing on this board (and elsewhere) kind of got me locked into thinking he was the problem. If it's Mack himself that's holding our offense back, then hopefully he's turned the corner. They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks, but if the incentive/punishment is high enough, it can be done. If and when talents like Finley bolt early (with increasing frequency) because they don't think they were well utilized in Austin, Mack may finally be understanding the writing on the wall (that's been written there a long time). Here's hoping.
 
Fair enough. But I think we buck the trend of early departures compared to probably any program in the country. The number of big names that stayed for their senior year far outnumbers those who have gone. I don't think we have a trend of it by any means.

Finley leaving was not news to a lot of people here. I wish he stayed but I understand him leaving. Jamaal was not so cut and dried but it turns out it may work out well for him.


Let's hope for the best and for some wild wide open stuff provided the players can handle it.
 
Texas was able to hold off the early departures longer than pretty much any other major program, but it's become such a popular thing for guys to do that I think Texas will be losing just as many players early as any other school.

When you have what has become an average season for the Longhorns (10 wins, non-BCS bowl) and you still lose two players (one of them a sophomore), I don't think you can really say that you're doing better than everyone else at keeping players around. It has nothing to do with "special circumstances" for Finley or anyone else. Every player who comes out early thinks he has special circumstances.

As the years go by, college football becomes more and more separated from higher education. Back in the day, football was your ticket to a college degree. Now, two or three years of college is just a minor inconvenience on the way to becoming a millionaire. Every year, more and more guys will leave early for the NFL. Texas will not be an exception to that.

As for Mack Brown's "promises" (and I use that word only because it was used originally ... I don't see where Mack Brown has actually promised anyone anything), I never thought I'd see him do what he did before and during the Holiday Bowl, so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and wait until I see the product on the field before I arbitrarily decide that he's a liar. The fact that Mack has finally done away with the co-defensive coordinator title, brought in a man with a coaching style completely opposite of his own, and handed over the reins of the defense to him tells me that Mack is at least considering the possiblity that there might be a better way of doing things than what he's done in the past. What that will mean for the offense and special teams, time will tell. But the Holiday Bowl and the hiring of Will Muschamp are enough to pacify me until I see for myself that Mack hasn't really changed.
 
My understanding of Mack's redshirt philosophy from his comments at various times is that he doesn't force players to redshirt. If they feel they can get playing time, they practice with that intent and will be played as the coaches see fit. If they do not get playing time, they can use a redshirt for that year. If they get a little but not alot of playing time, then they use a year of eligibility. If they elect up front to redshirt due to needing to mature, grow, get studies in order, etc., they redshirt and practice with that in mind.

The redshirts do not have to be declared in advance, they can be applied after a season but mainly it is the player's decision. I am not sure what happens when a player wants to redshirt and the coaches want him to play but if I were a player that had not played all season and it is late in the season, I would discuss it with my coach and let him know that I did not want to waste a year of eligibility. I believe I have read where Mack or the coach has these discussions throught the season.

Here is a comment from Mack on Signing Day this past February:
"On if he thinks members of this class will have an immediate impact on the team: Number one you look at a guy like Jermichael Finley who redshirts as a freshman, plays two years and is gone. We’re not into junior college ball so we want guys to be here for three or four years, and if they’re going to start a trend of being here for three, then we need to start playing them as freshman and not plan on waiting for them to play. The investment that you spend and the time you spend coaching a guy for two years makes it hard to lose him. So we feel like we’ll bring every guy in, throw them out there and try our best, and if they’re the best athlete, then we may have to simplify some of the things we’re doing, but if they’re ready to play, we’ll just play them sooner. I think we’ve been playing about half of our freshman for the 10 years we’ve been here, so we’re telling all of them to plan on playing, and then if they get hurt or they’re not in the two deep or they’re not in a position to help us win after midseason, then they can still redshirt. We are telling them to be prepared to play when they get here. "

So come here ready to play because it may be more likely to happen in the past but we won't waste your eligibility.

Sounds fair to me....but again, actions speak louder than words.

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Greg Davis has never devised a game plan that Mack didn't completely demand.

Mack is a control freak beyond description, EVERYTHING that happens on and within our program has been thought through and thought through again by Mack Brown.

Greg has been the perfect patsy to fade a ton of heat, but make no mistake, every good thing and every bad thing that has happened to this program since Mack arrived has been Mack's doing.
 
And the crickets go chirp . . .chirp . . . chirp

Calling Mack a control freak and insinuating that he is a liar a nd that he's an old dog who can't learn new tricks is LAUGHABLE

You critics seem to forget that it's Mack's job to control and run this multimillion dollar corporation called UT football.

It's his calls that make or break each and every season, and he's done a very creditable job thus far, despite what all the critics and experts might think. Like it or not, it's his team and he gets to run it any way he wants. We get to watch and enjoy or go root for OUsux or the mAoTrMons.

As to what a few self appointed anomymous web site mavens might opine, he and Deloss just hear more of the same: chirp . . . chirp . . . .chirp

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I think Mack will play more guys as true frosh but he is also very aware of the depth chart and the fact that he can't for instance play 4 true frosh at OL if he redshirt 4 the previous season otherwise he will have 8 seniors down the line.

ASU to me wasn't really about a more wide open offensive game plan as it was aboutt he intensity, especially on defense. This intensity was lacking previously and that is what most fans like myself are geeked up about, especially after Muschamp and the spring practices.

Guys are out on the field now knowing they have to keep it up or they will get less PT. There is competition at just about every posiition on the team.
 
As far as redshirting goes, I don't think any coach can or wants to ignore the feelings of the individual player, so I'm sure the coaches take into account what the player wants to do. However, the decision is ultimately the head coach's to make, and the player has to either live with it or find somewhere else to play football.

I do think what Mack is suggesting about planning on a player not being around for 4 years (or even 3) is a slippery slope, though. There are going to be many cases where redshirting is simply necessary, and I hope Mack considers the long-term effects on the team and doesn't just play a kid for the sake of playing him.
 
Mack Brown promised us a winning program....check;

Mack Brown promised us a classy program with kids who graduate....check (for the most part but every program has a few hiccups on this point);

Mack Brown promised to restore Texas to national prominence......check; and

Mack Brown promised to bring Texas a National Championship....CHECK

and that last promise was the biggest one of all and he did it.
 
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