Mack Brown and DKR--Comparing Championships

Eric96

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Here's an idea: tie a Mack Brown critic to a train track. When he starts to complain about an approaching train comfort him with these words--"don't worry, as long as you've been tied up to this track no train has run you over yet--that means it is never going to happen." Ridiculous? Sure, but this is the type of argument that some Mack Brown critics like to use--Brown hasn't won a conference championship yet, so he never will. Well, as it turns out, Brown has some pretty good company.

Like Brown, after Darrell Royal's first 4 years he was still looking for his first outright conference championship. He had shared a 3 way title in 1959 with TCU and Arkansas--but a three way tie in a 7 team conference isn't much to hang your hat on. What made the 1959 tie even more disheartening was that we lost to TCU in the second to last game of the year; a game in which a win would have ensured the conference championship. Royal also had to put up with the fact that several teams had conference bragging rights: Rice, TCU, and Arkansas had all won outright championships during Royal's first four years at Texas. To make matters even worse, he hadn't been able to come through in a bowl game yet, with Texas going 0-2-1 during DKR's first four seasons on the 40 Acres.

Nevertheless, he had done quite a bit of good. Twice he finished in the Top 20, and one of those times he finished in the Top 5 (#4 in 1959). He just hadn't been able to win "the big ones."

In his 5th season, Royal still couldn't get the monkey completely off his back as he shared another title with Arkansas. However, that year he won his first bowl game against #5 Mississippi and the Horns finished #3 in the nation.

In his sixth season he won his first outright SWC Championship. That monkey was gone, but a new one jumped on his back. The Horns dropped to 1-3-1 in bowls under Royal and finished close but not quite in the MNC hunt at #4.

Finally, in his 7th season, all monkeys were shot dead and dropped off his back. It was 1963 and the Horns won the SWC, beat #2 Navy in the Cotton Bowl, went undefeated and won the MNC.

After failing to win an outright SWC championship in his first 5 tries, Royal went on to win 7 of them. He also won 2 AP MNCs and 3 UPI MNCs. And after failing to get a bowl win in his first 3 attempts, he managed to win 8 in his next 13 tries. Among those wins were victories over #1 Bama (1964), #2 Navy (1963), #4 Alabama (1972), #5 Mississippi (1961), #8 Tennessee (1968), #9 Notre Dame (1969), and #10 Colorado (1975).

After 4 years at Texas, Brown has won two Big 12 South titles, has won 2 of 4 bowl games, and has had 3 Top 15 teams (one of which was in the Top 5). Detractors will tell you, and anyone that will listen, that Brown has yet to win a conference championship. And while they may say that leads them to conclude that he's not a great game day coach and he won't ever win a championship, deep down inside I'm pretty sure that they realize that the train is on the track and it is only a matter of time until their worst fear is realized.
 
Post's such as this one should be mandatory reading for all...especially the younger among us who have no appreciation for the pungent odor of which Texas Football consistently wreaked in the late 80's and early 90's.

Prepare for a magical season, my friends. Augie new he had a good team before the baseball season began. He confidently talked of his teams goals. They won it all. Mack knows he has a good team. He's talking it up this year.
 
Let'em bash.

The bottom line is that, for the most part, Longhorn fans are very satisfied with the direction of the program under Mack Brown.

And for some reason, that drives our rivals absolutely insane.

Would you really want it any other way?
 
you don't see the media going after RC much---
lower expectations?
 
Eric, have read many fine posts you've researched/written, but this one IMO is your best--a classic. Says so much factually about how history is repeating itself with Royal and Brown. OU now and Arkansas back when have much in common too. Type of post you read and reread again... and again; really do thank you for this gem.
 
so for relavence call a SWC tie a big 12 south title or maybe not big 12 south title is being the best of 6 vs best of 7
 
Thanks, I'm glad my post was appreciated. I just wanted to remind everyone to appreciate the ride on the way up the mountain. The view at the peak is incomparable, but the trek to the top is where a lot of the fun happens...

ok, I really mostly wanted to rub some facts into the noses of Brown's critics.
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hasn't mack been a head coach for more than 4 years? didn't he coach at north carolina? was DKR a head coach before texas?
 
Great post.

Yes sooneraaron he coached at tulane when I believe they were an independent and then took a crappy basketball school from 1-10 to 11-1 and was FSU only comp in conference during the height of their dynasty. You have a grasp of the obvious.
 
Give the Sooners a break guys. They're SOONERS, you shouldn't expect them to understand anything but the overwhelmingly obvious.
 
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."

I hope Mack wins a championship. However, like Amtrak, there is no guarantee this train will stay on track. It could all derail at the Cotton Bowl - again.
 
Royal lost his first shot at OU in 1957 and then won 8 in a row.

Finished with a 12-7-1 record against the Sooners.
 
How many recruiting National Championships did DKR win?

I don't think he won any. Mack is the better coach...
 
Steg,

It was Mack Brown that coached NC to a 2-20 record in his first two years as head coach at UNC, NOT the previuos coach, who, I believe was fired after a 5-7 season.
 
Royal definitely was head coach at Mississippi State in 1955. In 1956 I'm not sure if Royal was an assistant or head coach at Washington. He also won at least one "recruiting championship" with the Worster Bunch in the late 60s.

At any rate, the comparison is an obvious one--Brown's and Royal's first years coaching at UT. If you want to compare Mack's years at UNC with someone, then compare him to someone at a similar school--say Bowden's first 10 years at FSU. I'm sure Brown will match up well against him too.

The point is that great coaches build up programs over time. A few may reach the pinacle early, but most have to take some lumps and labeling along the way. DKR survived it and I'm pretty sure that Brown will too.
 
Does anyone else see the irony that the two horn coaches considered right now to be the greatest were trained to be winners @ Oklahoma? By Bud Wilkinson and Barry Switzer no less, the two coaches who are credited with 6 national championships?

It's quite the paradox that Okies are considered to be stupid on this board, yet the only successful horn coaches can be traced back to Norman OK.
 
Oh get f$%^ing real.
To say Mack's ONE year at Oklahoma resulted in him being trained by Switzer is beyond absurd.
Beside, if he were doing things like Barry we'd have already had four NCAA probations; a steroid scandal of Goliath proportions; three gang shootings and six rapes in the dorm; and Simms serving time in Big Springs after being busted on felony drug trafficking charges.
 
Recruiting national championships are so much bunk! The only thing that counts is how the players perform in the games. Potential means nothing until it's translated into success on the field. Mack may someday surpass Darrell but he's got a ways to go in my opinion.
 
Eric, Royal was the head coach at Washington and left after one year. He had been head coach at Miss State and the Edmonton Oilers of the CFL before going to Washington. The CFL is a passing league and many do not know that he coached there and had a greater knowlege of the passing game than he let on. He preferred the running attack in college for the constistency. They did not rank the recruitng classes in DKR's day as they do now but if they had, he would have won many. Recruiting mattered then too.
 

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