Mack Brown > DKR?

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Who will end up being the greatest coach in UT football history, Mack Brown or DKR? I think if Mack sticks around for another 10 years, then he'll have a strong argument for being the best. I think he'll continue to put together 10 win seasons.


Darrell K Royal
--College Football Hall of Fame member
--Winningest football coach in University of Texas Longhorn history
--20 years as head coach, UT never had a losing season
--167-47-5 career record at Texas
--Three national championships (1963, 1969, and 1970)
--Won or shared 11 Southwest Conference championships
--16 bowl appearances


Mack Brown
--2006 he was awarded the Paul "Bear" Bryant Award for "Coach of the Year"
--UT has posted back-to-back 11-win seasons, five consecutive 10-win seasons and ten consecutive 9-win campaigns for the first time in school history
--From 2001 through 2007, Brown has won 10 or more games each year. This is the longest active streak of seasons with 10+ wins in the nation.
--The Longhorns are 7-3 in Bowl games under Brown
--In terms of consecutive winning seasons, Brown is second among all active coaches with 17, behind only Bobby Bowden with 30
--On 27 October 2007 the Texas Longhorns defeated the Nebraska Cornhuskers 28-25 for Texas coach Mack Brown , the win was No. 100 with the Longhorns
--2005 NCAA Football National Championship (game played in January, 2006)
--2005 Big 12 Conference Championship
--16 consecutive winning seasons
--14 consecutive bowl game appearances
--Big 12 Conference record 21 consecutive conference wins from 2004-2006
--Player awards at Texas under Brown include a Heisman Trophy winner (Ricky Williams), two Maxwell Award winners (Ricky Williams, Vince Young), a Davey O'Brien Award Winner, two Doak Walker Award winners, a Butkus Award winner, two Thorpe Award winners and four national player of the year honors.
--Texas has also had 23 All-Americans, 37 first-team All-Big 12 selections, two Big 12 Offensive Players of the Year, two Big 12 Conference Defensive Players of the Year and seven Big 12 Freshman of the Year honorees.
 
I don't think it needs to be a competition. Both are great coaches and have done great things for The University of Texas. Mack wouldn't have the program he has today if it weren't for DKR. Texas football has been around for over 100 years and our old glory days all happened when DKR was here. We have started teh 2nd renaissance so to speak but it hasn't matched or eclipsed the 1st yet IMO.
 
I've seen most of the seasons through both eras. I have my own views but try making comparisons with these topics:

Recruiting conditions (number of players, players goals, behavior)

SWC strength versus Big 12

segregated versus integrated teams.

You could also compare philosophies. I would say Royal had the much stronger defensive teams. When your whole schedule scores about sixty to seventy points total in year, you don't have to score too much to win. The 62 Arkansas game and the 63 Baylor game are classic examples of this.

I also wonder whether Mack would have deciphered Navy's play calling signals before the first championship.

I sometimes wonder what would have happened to Akers if he had won at least one of those championships.
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Anyway, try it and see what you come up with
 
Apples and oranges...times are different...both have been very good for Texas. Coach Royal established most of the tradition, and Mack refurbished it.
 
Though he only finished his career here at Texas, I think Coach Bible belongs in the conversation. Career 198-72-3: at UT 63-31-3. He won two cotton Bowls and tied in his other. When he retired in 46 he only trailed Amos Stagg and Pop Warner in total victories. He and Blair Cherry laid the foundation that DKR built on.
 
Dang 71 I wanted to be the one to introduce Bible to the conversation. I think DKR has the hardware to back up his bid as the best. As for Bible compare undefeated seasons with Mack.
 
In their first 10 years at Texas they've won the same number of national championships; other than that number, I'd be wary of using statistics to compare the two. They're coaching in two very different eras - high scoring offenses, longer seasons, recruiting changes, to name a few.

I think the best way to judge is to compare them to their peers over the course of a complete career, and on that basis, I believe Mack has the potential, but it's an "incomplete" right now.

If Mack retired tomorrow, I have to conclude that Royal comes out ahead. He's one of the elite at the top with Wilkerson, Bryant, and that group.
 
I agree that Mack has a few chapters yet to be written, but if his next ten seasons (if he lasts that long) match the first ten, I'd give him the edge by a large margin.

DKR had 4 seasons with six or fewer wins. I can't imagine or so called "fans" allowing Mack to survive even one.
 
right now--no. in the future--maybe. mack only has a chance if he wins a lot of conference championships and a couple more mnc's.
 
Mack needs a Non-VY MNC before he gains DKR's kind of national respect. I love Mack and I know he will get it...hope it's sooner rather than later!
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3 > 1
11 > 1

Not even close.

And the myth that the old SWC sucked has been destroyed in a previous thread. Mack has coached in a Big 12 where the prior North powers (Nebraska, K-State, and CU) have pretty much been average. The only legit threat in the South has been OU. One conference title in that time is a damn shame.
 
Different eras entirely. Think of what Mack could have done with Royal's (none) scholarship limits. Then, think of what Royal could have done with Mack's budget. I love Mack, but if I had to go to war with one it would have to be Royal. I also believe that Dana Bible and Fred Akers deserve consideration though.
 
Darrell Royal did have scholarship limits. The SWC had limits back when the NCAA didn't, and he had to adhere to them. The idea that Royal didn't have scholarship limits is an aggie myth.
 
For Christmas, I received a football signed to me by Darrell Royal. I saw my neighbors (big OU fans) at the grocery store, and told them, "Guess what! I have a football signed by a champion Sooner QB!"

They grinned and asked, "Who?".

I replied, "Darrell Royal!" Their grins faded fast.
 
the stats from the first post are unfair. your ? was who was the best at UT? if so, than whatever Mack has done prior should not count. only as coach at UT.

also, more importantly, way too early to discuss.
 
"Mack Brown > DKR? "

Nope, and it's not even close. Take a look at Coach Royal's record against OU if the MNCs and conference championships don't convince you.
 
If not for DKR, there would be no Mack Brown as we know him. That probably makes no sense to some of you, but it makes perfect sense to me.

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