Louisiana Passes Interesting Law

Musburger1

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Surely this isn't Constitutional.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015-12-22/louisiana-to-require-students-to-fill-out-fafsa

No FAFSA, No Diploma in Louisiana
State education officials have approved a new policy aimed at pushing more students toward college.

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Louisiana high school students will have to fill out the FAFSA in order to graduate.

By Lauren CameraDec. 22, 2015, at 1:37 p.m.+ More
In order to graduate from high school in Louisiana, students will soon be required to apply for federal financial aid for college.

The state's Board of Elementary and Secondary Education approved the new graduation prerequisite earlier this month, and the new policy will go into effect beginning with the class of 2018.

The move makes the Pelican State the first in the country to require students to fill out the Free Application for Federal Student Aid, also known as the FAFSA, in order to receive a high school diploma.


The form allows students to tap all kinds of federal student aid, including direct loans and Pell grants, the latter of which students do not need to pay back.

“It’s good and sends the signal to get people to do it, and that’s important,” says Ben Miller, senior director for postsecondary education at the Center for American Progress. “Filling out the form by itself isn’t going to solve our college access challenges, but it is definitely a start. You don’t get any of the money you don’t apply for.”

Louisiana’s FAFSA completion rate for the 2012-2013 school year was 50 percent, but when non-public schools were removed from the calculation, that rate fell to about 44 percent.

Most students are eligible to receive some form of financial aid, and that’s especially true in Louisiana, which was ranked 44th in the nation for median household income in 2013 and 49th in the nation for percentage of residents living below the poverty line in 2012.


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“The reality is that thousands of Louisiana students, by not completing a FAFSA, are eliminating themselves from consideration for potentially tens of millions of state and federal financial aid available for postsecondary education and training,” said a report prepared by the Louisiana Department of Education for the state board prior to its adoption of the new graduation requirement.

The new policy was adopted, in large part, to significantly increase the number of students who go to college in the midst of a national hiring trend that’s requiring more employees to have postsecondary degrees.

According to an analysis of occupation data and workforce trends by Georgetown University’s Center on Education and the Workforce, 51 percent of Louisiana jobs will require postsecondary education by 2018.

“This means that over the next four years, Louisiana will need to fill more than 634,000 vacancies when job creation, worker retirement and other factors are taken into account,” the report from the state education department read.

Of the graduating class of 2014, 59 percent matriculated into college in the fall semester following graduation, according to the Louisiana Department of Education. That was a 1 percentage point increase in the annual matriculation rate, which has increased by just 4 percentage points since 2011.

Roughly two-thirds of those students enrolled in four-year institutions, while one-third enrolled in two-year colleges. Overall, 92 percent remained in-state while pursuing a postsecondary education.


“If the state is to ever fill the over 600,000 job vacancies requiring some postsecondary education by 2018, then it is imperative that the state, districts, and schools make access to postsecondary education and training less financially onerous for Louisiana students by prioritizing the FAFSA completion process and/or making it mandatory,” the education department report said.

While the new policy is likely to encourage students who are on the cusp of making a decision to apply for college, states in the longer term should look to adopt policies that will target students earlier who aren’t even thinking about applying, Miller says.

“I think it’s a reasonable and sensible first step for trying to improve college-going rates,” he says. “Part of the challenge is if you don’t have someone thinking about college until January or so, it’s a little late in the game. What you really want to do is send a signal to students way earlier because you want to reach the people who have dropped out by senior year or written college off as an option.”

The state requirement comes on the heels of the Obama administration altering aspects of thefinancial aid application, including by simplifying it to eliminate certain questions and allowing students and families to use earlier IRS data to provide required information. Beginning next year, students will also be able to apply beginning in October of their senior year, as opposed to the current application window that begins in January.
 
Not a bad idea, but I think it would be much more effective if the Federal aid could be used for vocational or trade schools. I think more and more students will opt out of attending university in the future in favor of getting real skills. The US job market has fundamentally shifted over my generation. Getting a liberal arts degree is a fast track towards poverty.
 
If you have to be forced to apply for FAFSA, you are frankly not someone that cares enough about your education and not college material.

There's nothing "free" about this program. Don't guidance counselors get paid to do this? Entitlement is not something lacking with these kids, and more babysitting/nannying ain't making it better.

Since women are allowed in all combat roles now, how about no diploma for 18 year old seniors until the have their SSA registration?
 
seems it is a way to ensure people get attached to the government teet as soon as they are legally able to sign their name to a contract...and once attached, they will then vote in a manner that keeps their trough filled with as little personal accountability for that money as possible...
 
Though I don't think it's unconstitutional, It's definitely a stupid law. If someone doesn't want to go to college or doesn't want to seek financial aid, then why should he have to fill out the FAFSA? Furthermore, as Tex2000 suggested, if you're not smart enough to complete the FAFSA, then you probably aren't college material anyway.

It's just more hand-holding and mollycoddling, which at least a significant number of young people need nowadays. At the rate we're going, in 100 years, we'll have 45 year old moms breastfeeding their 19 year old kids.
 
Ok, you guys convinced me. Its a bad idea. But I am still more outraged by the use of public funds to pay for useless degrees like African American studies even by proactive students. I can live with subsidizing continuing education as long as it results in a degree that makes economic sense.
 
But I am still more outraged by the use of public funds to pay for useless degrees like African American studies even by proactive students. I can live with subsidizing continuing education as long as it results in a degree that makes economic sense.

I think it's still more admirable to have a degree than not. People with liberal arts degrees can go on to work in public service, teaching, etc. You can't do that without the degree. Not sure why that would lead to outrage.

If the only subsidized degrees were in the ones that made economic sense (in terms of what you're paid when you graduate or what your new job "provides" for the economy on a micro scale), then those jobs would lose their economic sense as more people flooded those majors.
 
I think it's still more admirable to have a degree than not. People with liberal arts degrees can go on to work in public service, teaching, etc. You can't do that without the degree. Not sure why that would lead to outrage.

I do not agree with the premise that a college degree is inherently admirable. I see a lot of entitled college kids that I certainly do not admire. I also am very impressed with someone who succeeds in their professional life without a college degree because it is usually the result of hard work and guts.

I have no problem if someone wants to get a liberal arts degree for their personal fulfillment but they should not expect taxpayers to fund their personal fulfillment. Education after high school is foremost about getting knowledge and skills to make a better living for yourself and your family. That's why I am such a big supporter of vocational and trade schools.

If the only subsidized degrees were in the ones that made economic sense (in terms of what you're paid when you graduate or what your new job "provides" for the economy on a micro scale), then those jobs would lose their economic sense as more people flooded those majors.

Actually the result would be better quality engineers and scientists which would be a fantastic result for the US. There are only so many slots in engineering and business schools. But to be fair, I am sure these schools would love to accept more students so they could take their money and then weed them out later.
 
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I don't think this is a good law but I wonder if we are all missing the purpose of the law. Do only 44% of public students complete the FAFSA form because they want to go to school or is there a large % of that 56% that don't complete the form because they think that college is unattainable. Simply filling out this form gives them more information that college may be more attainable then they realize.

Here is the problem as I see it, we are creating a permanent under-class. Education is the best predictor of a way out of the poverty class. If your parents didn't go to college you may not see that as an option. This simply says, there is an potential option should you choose to take it.

The value of a liberal arts degree is a different topic. You are correct that liberal arts degrees aren't as valuable with the rise of importance of technology. Here is the problem, liberal arts degrees teach logic, philosophy, and ways of thinking and defending your ideas that technology degrees miss. Psychology, Law and many degrees start with a liberal arts foundation. In fact, the Top 5 University of Washington Medical school prefers a liberal arts undergrad degree. With all that said, I have 3 sons approaching college. None of the 3 am I recommending them to pursue a liberal arts degree.
 
In fact, the Top 5 University of Washington Medical school prefers a liberal arts undergrad degree.

Anyone applying to Medical school would have also completed all of the pre-med requirements such as chemistry, biology, physics, and advanced math. I wouldn't call that a typical liberal arts major. I can understand UW's preference. A liberal arts degree accompanied with all of the premed math and science requirements would be a pretty well rounded candidate.
 
This law seeks to perpetuate a big problem that I see, the same one Mike Rowe is harping on. We have made it socially unacceptable to not have at least a 4-year college degree. We have put vocational education just about out of business, certainly at the high school level. This has led us to have a glut of college-degreed folks who cannot get a job, or at least not one that pays as well as advertised, while, on the other end, a dearth of skilled laborers to fill blue-collar jobs. It's so bad that folks like these at http://www.energizehouston.org are having to run ads during football games to get students to sign up for a 2-year degree that will pay them well over $50K/year to start (they claim six figures but that is probably a best-case scenario). Employers just cannot get enough qualified laborers in these jobs, so they are having to pay much more than they used to.

Just thru happenstance, I have talked to 3 men in the past week, all of whom own businesses that employ blue-collar labor (Industrial HVAC contractor, for example). All 3 said basically the same thing - they cannot find good people to do the work. One guy said it this way, "Nobody wants to work for a living anymore."

This would seem to be a seller's market for young people who are clean-cut, can speak and write proper English, and show up for work on time. Unfortunately, to even say it that way, in today's environment, is considered racist and improper.
 

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