Liberals summed up in a 5-minute video
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Oh great. Rationality smack from the party of Rick Perry, Michelle Bachman and elected Texas delagates who overwhelmingly backed a party platform OPPOSED to teaching of critical thinking skills. I'm not going to pretend that being liberal is the same as being smart. I'm just getting tired of hearing conservatives confusing their feelings with logic, reason and rationality.
Bevo Incognito
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Did you read about those Republican Arkansas State Representatives arguing that slavery could not have been that bad because it was not mentioned in the bible and that it was a blessing in disguise?
Rep. Jon Hubbard believes that slavery was a blessing in disguise for black people and that African Americans do not value education.
And state Rep. Loy Mauch wrote "If slavery were so God-awful, why didn’t Jesus or Paul condemn it, why was it in the Constitution and why wasn’t there a war before 1861?"
As Bobby Jindal said, Republicans have got to quit being the party of stupid.
Rep. Jon Hubbard believes that slavery was a blessing in disguise for black people and that African Americans do not value education.
And state Rep. Loy Mauch wrote "If slavery were so God-awful, why didn’t Jesus or Paul condemn it, why was it in the Constitution and why wasn’t there a war before 1861?"
As Bobby Jindal said, Republicans have got to quit being the party of stupid.
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Hu_Fan
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A problem with politics is the way each side tends to view their perceptions as "right" and tied to an almost self-survival MO that says...
... I must see the world in a correct, kind, just, reasonable manner. How can I be wrong about the way I see life?
Following that, the person sees all views contrary to their view as coming from a heart and brain that is a result of one or more characteristic such as: flawed, loose-screws, clumsy, inconsiderate, not-carefully-thought-out, uninformed, misguided, thoughtless, narrow minded, just plain wrong, or bad.
We live in a 'binary world' of opposites, black & white, up or down, right or wrong. And the human nature part of it says "I am on the right side of things," the others who disagree are just on the wrong side of things.
This is true of politics and religion and is a major cause of most wars and domestic vitriol. Some wars are caused by basic aggression, seizure of another's country or property, or good old fashion King & Queen stuff, brother against brother, or consolidating power and all that.
Domestically I am baffled that leaders today willingly promote divisiveness and polarity across the entire landscape. One elected official will seem not to care what his or her disposition does to the whole country so long as he or she saves the country according to his or her view of life. Another volleys right back the same way from the other side of the court. The media of CNN and Fox are more than willing to help the mess as much as they can.
And no one really cares about a universal 360-degree view that sees things from all sides.
Instead it is just "my side."
Here's the catcher on it. Call it my opinion. It is the human consciousness that sees things so one-sided. The human consciousness seems more oriented to narrow views, one-sided views (the ego view) and often a selfish, self-centered, self-serving, me-me-me view. Or our-our-our view. My side. Our side.
Meanwhile... deep inside... the Soul sees things differently. It's hardly ever recognized that one of the many remarkable attributes of Soul is the ability to see with a 360-degree point of view. Soul can see all sides, including (I guess) no side at all. Maybe a side-less thing. Either many opinions, or a view that something is opinion-less. Trivial. Doesn't really matter. And so on.
When we see individuals hammering their views onto others with no recognition or regard for any other view, that is the human (limited) state of consciousness speaking.
When we see and hear a sense of balance, harmony and deep understanding--an openness to something new, different, compromising, moderating, considerate, etc.-- that is coming from Soul.
A final attribute of Soul I adhere to is this: nothing in this world is perfect. There is always another step. So any encompassing view coming from Soul, sees that there is always another step, another variation -- in time -- to be taken. We do the best we can for now. As well as we can, but not to assume "Yeah, man, this is it. This is the absolute right way. Carve it in stone. Nail it."
Our culture has fostered a political climate of a very medium to low point on the scale of human consciousness, and I blame the whole political arena and America's collective media for it. I think the average man and woman is very open to a more Soulful view and behavior. And the first time a party or a leader of a party -- or a media outlet and their programs/programming -- dares to speak to the deep and wide characteristics of Soul instead of to the pettiness of the human consciousness....
Could be interesting.
... I must see the world in a correct, kind, just, reasonable manner. How can I be wrong about the way I see life?
Following that, the person sees all views contrary to their view as coming from a heart and brain that is a result of one or more characteristic such as: flawed, loose-screws, clumsy, inconsiderate, not-carefully-thought-out, uninformed, misguided, thoughtless, narrow minded, just plain wrong, or bad.
We live in a 'binary world' of opposites, black & white, up or down, right or wrong. And the human nature part of it says "I am on the right side of things," the others who disagree are just on the wrong side of things.
This is true of politics and religion and is a major cause of most wars and domestic vitriol. Some wars are caused by basic aggression, seizure of another's country or property, or good old fashion King & Queen stuff, brother against brother, or consolidating power and all that.
Domestically I am baffled that leaders today willingly promote divisiveness and polarity across the entire landscape. One elected official will seem not to care what his or her disposition does to the whole country so long as he or she saves the country according to his or her view of life. Another volleys right back the same way from the other side of the court. The media of CNN and Fox are more than willing to help the mess as much as they can.
And no one really cares about a universal 360-degree view that sees things from all sides.
Instead it is just "my side."
Here's the catcher on it. Call it my opinion. It is the human consciousness that sees things so one-sided. The human consciousness seems more oriented to narrow views, one-sided views (the ego view) and often a selfish, self-centered, self-serving, me-me-me view. Or our-our-our view. My side. Our side.
Meanwhile... deep inside... the Soul sees things differently. It's hardly ever recognized that one of the many remarkable attributes of Soul is the ability to see with a 360-degree point of view. Soul can see all sides, including (I guess) no side at all. Maybe a side-less thing. Either many opinions, or a view that something is opinion-less. Trivial. Doesn't really matter. And so on.
When we see individuals hammering their views onto others with no recognition or regard for any other view, that is the human (limited) state of consciousness speaking.
When we see and hear a sense of balance, harmony and deep understanding--an openness to something new, different, compromising, moderating, considerate, etc.-- that is coming from Soul.
A final attribute of Soul I adhere to is this: nothing in this world is perfect. There is always another step. So any encompassing view coming from Soul, sees that there is always another step, another variation -- in time -- to be taken. We do the best we can for now. As well as we can, but not to assume "Yeah, man, this is it. This is the absolute right way. Carve it in stone. Nail it."
Our culture has fostered a political climate of a very medium to low point on the scale of human consciousness, and I blame the whole political arena and America's collective media for it. I think the average man and woman is very open to a more Soulful view and behavior. And the first time a party or a leader of a party -- or a media outlet and their programs/programming -- dares to speak to the deep and wide characteristics of Soul instead of to the pettiness of the human consciousness....
Could be interesting.
Hu, I hope you aren't equating conservatives with liberals, both being at extreme ends of the spectrum.
The "middle" is not always the right place to be. Should whoever opposed Hitler and the NAZI party in Germany tried harder to compromise and meet them halfway. Maybe only kill 3 million Jews instead of 6?
The "middle" is not always the right place to be. Should whoever opposed Hitler and the NAZI party in Germany tried harder to compromise and meet them halfway. Maybe only kill 3 million Jews instead of 6?
AustinBat
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From Barry Goldwater:
Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.
Equality, rightly understood as our founding fathers understood it, leads to the emancipation of creative differences; wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformism and then to despotism.
Where is the politician who has not promised to fight to the death for lower taxes - and who has not proceeded to vote for the very spending projects that make tax cuts impossible?
I think every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ***.
You don't have to be straight to be in the army, you just have to be able to shoot straight.
I would vote for him in a minute.
Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.
Equality, rightly understood as our founding fathers understood it, leads to the emancipation of creative differences; wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformism and then to despotism.
Where is the politician who has not promised to fight to the death for lower taxes - and who has not proceeded to vote for the very spending projects that make tax cuts impossible?
I think every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ***.
You don't have to be straight to be in the army, you just have to be able to shoot straight.
I would vote for him in a minute.
I didn't get to see much of Barry Goldwater when he ran for president. I was a pre-schooler. Certainly his opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is something I see as a mistake. That said, as I grew older and saw him working as a senator, I thought he was a very admirable gentleman -- smart, high character and creative in building alliances with folks who wouldn't be his natural allies. Maybe Hillary Clinton was right about him. I visited once with an old newspaper editor, a Texan and not an especially conservative person, who had interviewed Goldwater and he said it was a shame that Arizona senator hadn't become president.
Goldwater and the civil rights act is a tough one. Goldwater was unequivocally for equal rights and anti discrimination policies. he was for the right to vote and he was for an end to segregation in the work place, community areas and schools. He felt the actual act, as written, went too far in giving the federall govt power over state issues. He was in favor of the bill in spirit but there were 2 clauses that he felt were unconstitutional and he wanted them reworked. They were left in and so he stood on principal and voted against the bill. He knew when he did it that it would most likely cost him the election. Not much character like that from either party anymore.
It is a little like Obamacare. Someone might be vehently opposed to the insurance mandate and think it is unconstitutional (i do not and think it is necessary). So if they vote against the bill, all you will hear is that that person was against providing healthcare for the poor and in the pocket of the insurance lobby and so on.
It is a little like Obamacare. Someone might be vehently opposed to the insurance mandate and think it is unconstitutional (i do not and think it is necessary). So if they vote against the bill, all you will hear is that that person was against providing healthcare for the poor and in the pocket of the insurance lobby and so on.
majorwhiteapples
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There was not a racist bone in Barry Goldwater's body. It is very similar to what you see today, because for whatever reason one is against somebody or something makes them a racist or for this or that.......
Barry Goldwater without a doubt was an outstanding representative of what and how this government should be run.
Barry Goldwater without a doubt was an outstanding representative of what and how this government should be run.
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