KEEP TOM HERMAN!

[zuckercanyon]

Ok, took the kids to enjoy a nice day out near Fredericksburg and didn't watch the game. Came home knowing Texas lost and had time to fast forward through the game to see what I missed.

I felt like they really played hard. The fumble at the goal line was the decider (hello Blake Gideon). Caden Sterns crept like a cat ready to pounce while Duggan was sprinting to the end zone, only figuring out too late that, since he didn't sprint over but walked/crouched, he had a bad angle for his dive and didn't even touch Duggan. But I digress....

This is Herman's fourth season, albeit in the middle of our covid/wokeness, and I agree, he hasn't handled himself well when it comes to PR with the fans/boosters (Mack Brown says hello). BUT, the issue is recruiting and depth, and changing coaches every 4 doesn't get us there. We're getting talent, but not at every position, so, although the secondary can look good since we've got all those great gets from 2018, and our d-line is getting stouter with good gets, our o-line doesn't. Our top recruiting gets can't get on the field or stay on it (Robinson/Whittington/McCoy-USC). Jake Smith is all effort but I wonder about staying health (Jordan Shipley).

Point is, that 2018 class will be seniors next year, and I feel like that's the real (first) time we'll have ALL players on the team are Herman recruits. That'll be a fair assessment of the future of Texas football. I don't think there's anyone else out there as good or better that Texas can get, and, even then, that new coach may be better than TH on some things or much worse in others, getting the same result.

I get it, not happy with the results and not happy with the bs off the field/after the game/Eyes of Texas issues. But it's a free country not sure who ever was keeping tabs on who did or didn't sing the Eyes or walked off the field without pointing to Joe Jamail/etc/etc.

I think TH is doing what he thinks he needs to during this time and one day the 'RONA and the protests will be done and maybe then everything can start being more about football only and not whether someone has a virus or if someone in a state 1000 miles away didn't survive an encounter with a police officer.

 

[nashhorn]

Some wishful (and thoughtful) thinking there. I can and do hope you are correct but not sure I believe it right now.

 

[Joe Fan]

...This is Herman's fourth season..

It's its 4th season and he is still losing to middle-of-the-pack teams from a middle-of-the-pack conference. And struggling against the bad teams (did you see what Tech did next?). Have we mud-stomped anyone from this conference under Tom? We should be mud-stomping all the time. If there was any conclusion that could be drawn about Herman as a coach it is that he can sometimes get his team up for big games but then will always play down to the competition. He only had 2 years as a head coach coming in. That was not enough for this program.

CDC has shown the ability the make good hires in the past. We have no choice but to hope he will get the next one right.

 

[El Sapo]

If there was any conclusion that could be drawn about Herman as a coach it is that he can sometimes get his team up for big games but then will always play down to the competition.

I'm with Joe on pretty much all this. Last season is when my major concerns about Tom Herman's ability as a head coach began to surface. When you're replacing your coordinators three years in, to me, it looks like you don't know what you're doing (see also Charlie Strong). Then there is the product he has put on the field. Upsets are going to happen from time to time, I get that and no team is immune. However we're just wildly inconsistent with moments of greatness coupled with too many unmotivated and lackluster games. With a senior quarterback and years of top 10 recruiting classes we should frankly be better than this. We could easily be 1-2 right now.

We lose to Oklahoma next week and I'm done with this season.

 

[Duck Dodgers]

At this point in my 25 years of being a Texas fan, anytime I see the word talent, there's not much else to read in that post. No offense personally, but I've seen the idea of Talent!!! since about 98.

Talent Talent Talent Talent!!! We have so much Talent that we have more Talent than anyone else and the only ones who have more Talent are the incoming players who have even more Talent than our currently Talented players.

Enough. Dude has been here for 4 years. Supposedly his team is well stocked with all these talented players, yet TCU or TT with their 2-3 gold star players play to the equal of Texas, and it's a coin toss as to who wins.

The idea that a coach at a tradition and resource rich school needs 5 years to win a crummy conference championship is a joke. His players are Seniors now - please don't hang your hat on the fact that not all of the incoming class 4 years ago were recruited by him. That's too thin a reed as to why He-Man has accomplished little to nothing at Texas, save a nice Sugar bowl win.

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

Sloppy and undisciplined play has nothing to do with star rankings and recruiting. That's poor coaching and not getting kids prepared for games year after year after year.

The other issue is something I read here relating Herman and Mackovic. After mulling over it I'm beginning to believe the absolute parallels.

Arrogant, big wins, unexplainable losses, fans annoy him, Texas culture is not as important as his beliefs, believes in "recruiting the entire country" instead of focusing on keeping the best in state, etc. That just won't work around here unless you're winning championships and even then it's iffy.

 

[mchammer]

Sloppy and undisciplined play has nothing to do with star rankings and recruiting. That's poor coaching and not getting kids prepared for games year after year after year.

The other issue is something I read here relating Herman and Mackovic. After mulling over it I'm beginning to believe the absolute parallels.

Arrogant, big wins, unexplainable losses, fans annoy him, Texas culture is not as important as his beliefs, believes in "recruiting the entire country" instead of focusing on keeping the best in state, etc. That just won't work around here unless you're winning championships and even then it's iffy.

Good points, but Mackovic a) could coach, and b) won 2 outright conference championships.

 

[theiioftx]

Herman is driving the program into a ditch that it might not ever recover from. The sooner he is gone, the better. He has no respect for the tradition of Texas, it’s legacy or its alumni.

 

[Duck Dodgers]

Hey that's not really fair to Mackovic.

In his third year (95), he won a conference championship, and did so in his 4th, the B12 win against Nebraska. Also was in some three way or so tie in 94, but Texas Tech (!) went to the Cotton Bowl on various tiebreakers, so they really won it that year.

Herman so far has zero championships.

But yes, lots of other similarities, mostly off the field aspect that result in little fan support when there are not victories on the field - mile wide, inch deep level of support.

Difference though is that Herman won't get canned anytime soon. Too big of a contract to keep paying on (no buy out in Texas) while paying a new coach the same or more money, in bad financial times for the AD as is.

Which is why I shake my head now at the 2 year extension given out like a participation trophy for the Sugar bowl after the 18 season. He still had 3 years left on his contract then - no reason to saddle up to another 2 years at that point. Poor decision, that may cost the school, or at least the big money donors, quite a bit later on.

 

[El Sapo]

Good points, but Mackovic a) could coach,

Offense anyways....

 

[kbrown]

Ok, took the kids to enjoy a nice day out near Fredericksburg and didn't watch the game. Came home knowing Texas lost and had time to fast forward through the game to see what I missed.

I felt like they really played hard. The fumble at the goal line was the decider (hello Blake Gideon). Caden Sterns crept like a cat ready to pounce while Duggan was sprinting to the end zone, only figuring out too late that, since he didn't sprint over but walked/crouched, he had a bad angle for his dive and didn't even touch Duggan. But I digress....

This is Herman's fourth season, albeit in the middle of our covid/wokeness, and I agree, he hasn't handled himself well when it comes to PR with the fans/boosters (Mack Brown says hello). BUT, the issue is recruiting and depth, and changing coaches every 4 doesn't get us there. We're getting talent, but not at every position, so, although the secondary can look good since we've got all those great gets from 2018, and our d-line is getting stouter with good gets, our o-line doesn't. Our top recruiting gets can't get on the field or stay on it (Robinson/Whittington/McCoy-USC). Jake Smith is all effort but I wonder about staying health (Jordan Shipley).

Point is, that 2018 class will be seniors next year, and I feel like that's the real (first) time we'll have ALL players on the team are Herman recruits. That'll be a fair assessment of the future of Texas football. I don't think there's anyone else out there as good or better that Texas can get, and, even then, that new coach may be better than TH on some things or much worse in others, getting the same result.

I get it, not happy with the results and not happy with the bs off the field/after the game/Eyes of Texas issues. But it's a free country not sure who ever was keeping tabs on who did or didn't sing the Eyes or walked off the field without pointing to Joe Jamail/etc/etc.

I think TH is doing what he thinks he needs to during this time and one day the 'RONA and the protests will be done and maybe then everything can start being more about football only and not whether someone has a virus or if someone in a state 1000 miles away didn't survive an encounter with a police officer.

 

[El Sapo]

Which is why I shake my head now at the 2 year extension given out like a participation trophy for the Sugar bowl after the 18 season. He still had 3 years left on his contract then - no reason to saddle up to another 2 years at that point. Poor decision, that may cost the school, or at least the big money donors, quite a bit later on.

In retrospect you're entirely right, Duck, but I'll admit that I, too, took the cheese after the 18' season. We dominated a good Georgia team from start to finish en route to a 10 win season and I'll admit to being one that thought we'd turned the corner. Apparently the administration thought the same

 

[nashhorn]

Sam too.

 

[El Sapo]

Sam too.

Just.... ugh.

 

[kbrown]

My thinking is.... yesterday’s game? Reports were that Sam was banged up? He was having trouble completing passes. If he was hurt why wasn’t Thompson playing? Yes Sam kept us in the game and damn near won it! This ain’t picking on Sam! 4 years in this O-line ain’t much better! We refuse to establish a run game. D is a mess... geez why didn’t Craig Naivar pass the audition?
That defense on Duggar’s 35 yard td? This game was no different than Herman’s first game against Maryland!

 

[Duck Dodgers]

In retrospect you're entirely right, Duck, but I'll admit that I, too, took the cheese after the 18' season. We dominated a good Georgia team from start to finish en route to a 10 win season and I'll admit to being one that thought we'd turned the corner. Apparently the administration thought the same

But it was just a good win in a 4 loss year. Bowl games are different breeds of games, that some coaches do well at. Herman has had good success in bowls, while mediocre in the regular season.

Main point about it was why? It'll cost the school 10 million bucks, and with 3 years still left on a very expensive contract, I just didn't see anyone else coming in to hire him at that point, or him leaving on his own for not feeling respected. It seemed like a huge bonus for basically winning one game. And the games since then have proven that out, as he would not have gotten an extension after the 2019 season.

 

[huisache]

same old whining zhit from that wing of our fans who cheer when winning and puff their chests out like they did it themselves. When things go wrong it is fire the coach and run all the players off. Whining Weenies with coaching certificates all

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

same old whining zhit from that wing of our fans who cheer when winning and puff their chests out like they did it themselves. When things go wrong it is fire the coach and run all the players off. Whining Weenies with coaching certificates all

 

[bystander]

But it's a free country not sure who ever was keeping tabs on who did or didn't sing the Eyes or walked off the field without pointing to Joe Jamail/etc/etc.

It's not so much, "Who's not wearing the ribbon!" It's the players that broke up the bond between them and the fans. Those in the stands and those on the field became equals; representatives and lover's of a university. To speak of it now is not to be a totalitarian, but the relationship has been altered. Demands are being made of the fans by the coach and the form of care for the legacy of the fans and the university is being rejected.

It is a free country.

But why is it that those who choose to be most free do it in such a negative manner?

 

[El Sapo]

But it was just a good win in a 4 loss year. Bowl games are different breeds of games, that some coaches do well at. Herman has had good success in bowls, while mediocre in the regular season.

Main point about it was why? It'll cost the school 10 million bucks, and with 3 years still left on a very expensive contract, I just didn't see anyone else coming in to hire him at that point, or him leaving on his own for not feeling respected. It seemed like a huge bonus for basically winning one game. And the games since then have proven that out, as he would not have gotten an extension after the 2019 season.

2018 was the first 10 win season in 9 years and was also the fewest loss season in that same amount of time. Couple that with 2017 which was the first winning season in 4 years and again... it looked like clear improvement was being made. Again, I don't disagree, it's not like someone was going to come snatch up Herman if we hadn't given the extension nor was he likely to leave anyways. Something about rewarding a performance based job and at the time it looked like he was performing. At least it wasn't 5 years. I'm nearly certain we screwed ourselves into a more extended mediocrity as a result but at least we didn't pull an A&M.

 

[MajesticII]

It's not so much, "Who's not wearing the ribbon!" It's the players that broke up the bond between them and the fans. Those in the stands and those on the field became equals; representatives and lover's of a university. To speak of it now is not to be a totalitarian, but the relationship has been altered. Demands are being made of the fans by the coach and the form of care for the legacy of the fans and the university is being rejected.

It is a free country.

But why is it that those who choose to be most free do it in such a negative manner?

No it isn't a free country. Employees are expected to act and dress as their employers expect or demand. Players are expected to act and dress, etc as their coaches expect or demand. Its free for an individual on his or her own time and place, but when you represent something or someone else you do what is expected or else you are free to find something else or somewhere else to go....

 

[zuckercanyon]

It's its 4th season and he is still losing to middle-of-the-pack teams from a middle-of-the-pack conference. And struggling against the bad teams (did you see what Tech did next?). Have we mud-stomped anyone from this conference under Tom? We should be mud-stomping all the time. If there was any conclusion that could be drawn about Herman as a coach it is that he can sometimes get his team up for big games but then will always play down to the competition. He only had 2 years as a head coach coming in. That was not enough for this program.

CDC has shown the ability the make good hires in the past. We have no choice but to hope he will get the next one right.

I'll always disagree with "the talent was there" because of three years of losing seasons and Charlie's players with talent left after their junior seasons. Just think it's a hole we're digging out of....

 

[theiioftx]

same old whining zhit from that wing of our fans who cheer when winning and puff their chests out like they did it themselves. When things go wrong it is fire the coach and run all the players off. Whining Weenies with coaching certificates all

What a stupid statement. I attended every home game and many road games from 1986-1990. Before Strong, those were the worst years ever. I cheered the team and supported them unwaveringly. After graduating, I got season tickets and donated annually to the foundation.

In 2000, I realized work and family made season tickets too much. I started attending random games and supported financially.

I supported the team during Strong’s tenure. Although I recognized his teams never seemed prepared, I like others realized he simply could not coach a program like Texas. I hoped he would be successful, but he just didn’t have it.

I supported Herman all the way until his idiotic support of this woke movement. Getting rid of the eyes resulted in me stopping all support of the program especially financially. When Herman is gone I’ll be back. Might have to wait until CDC is gone too if he doesn’t step up and lead through action.

I prefer a 8-4 team that is prepared and understands Texas Fight versus a 12-0 bunch of woke race baiters.

 

[theiioftx]

10 college football coaches on the hot seat in 2020

Herman is another coach who finds himself on this list due to the expectations of his program. Texas football is Texas football, and despite their struggles over the last decade, the Longhorns still boast one of the most talented rosters in the country. These factors make Herman’s 8-5 record and Alamo Bowl victory not enough to secure his seat heading into 2020. Texas fans and leadership expect to be competing for national titles, not losing to Iowa State and TCU. If Herman puts forth another middling year in 2020, Texas will be back in the head coach market.

 

[SabreHorn]

Hell, that article is from April 20, when the gas hadn't been turned on yet.

 

[zuckercanyon]

10 college football coaches on the hot seat in 2020

Herman is another coach who finds himself on this list due to the expectations of his program. Texas football is Texas football, and despite their struggles over the last decade, the Longhorns still boast one of the most talented rosters in the country. These factors make Herman’s 8-5 record and Alamo Bowl victory not enough to secure his seat heading into 2020. Texas fans and leadership expect to be competing for national titles, not losing to Iowa State and TCU. If Herman puts forth another middling year in 2020, Texas will be back in the head coach market.

With all due respect (Ricky Bobby) you are wrong in saying Texas has one of the most talented, unless you mean, like top 25, and then, hands down, you're not wrong... but if you're saying, like top 10 talent, you're wrong, and probably top 11-15 talent, still wrong, and maaayyybbbee top 16-20, yeah, I might give you that.

 

[theiioftx]

Well he has already lost to TCU and I cannot imagine a scenario of him beating Matt Campbell. An OU loss next week would make his seat nuclear. OU is favored.

 

[caryhorn]

ith all due respect (Ricky Bobby) you are wrong in saying Texas has one of the most talented, unless you mean, like top 25, and then, hands down, you're not wrong... but if you're saying, like top 10 talent, you're wrong, and probably top 11-15 talent, still wrong, and maaayyybbbee top 16-20, yeah, I might give you that.

I think our recruiting has been ranked top ten 3 of the last 4 seasons. And the other was top 20. I don't understand how the talent recruited somehow loses it's talent just by entering college.
Isn't he coaching top 20 talent if he's recruiting top 20 talent?
And yes, maybe the star rankings on some are inaccurate, but that is true at all colleges.
Zucker, I've got to go with him being an over rated coach, rather than the players being over rated players.

I've seen too many instances over the years where a really good coach makes a big difference sooner rather than later.
Herman has not gotten it done at the level required at Texas. The buck stops at his desk.

 

[SabreHorn]

The buck stops at his desk.

Can you arrange to have that desk moved to Cal Lutheran?

 

[HalRex]

I’m all for reserving judgement until after this covid/2020 season. Until then supporting the team, which includes TH, is what this Horn will do.