Judging and/or Discrimination

THEU

THEU

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I have read recently several articles, comments, and heard even more about discrimination and/or being judgmental. I am just curious to some extent about the logic of this. Now, I am not saying someone should be a hate filled person always putting others down. That is not what I am at all attempting to defend. I am also NOT trying to get into certain hot button issues.

Let me give one example. I went to the local HEB just a couple of weeks ago. I go there to buy meat generally, because it is cheaper than the local butcher, and their meat is all natural and good quality. They often have some tasty cuts of Prime from between $12 and $15 a lb.
So by the time I have gone into the store to even look at meat, I have made several decisions based on values. I value my money. I value good steak. this is why HEB was my choice of place to even look to purchase.
Now, I looked at the steaks, and saw some Prime Ribeyes that looked good, and were a good price. $12.98 a lb. if I recall correctly. So then I started looking over the number of that particular cut and that particular grade.
So I have made even more value judgements. Then I pick out the two I want.
Now, I get that people have differing opinions on values, and I believe that is even a healthy thing to be discussed. What is the push lately towards this 'don't judge' at all stuff? I just don't get it. If you even dare to disagree with choices that someone else makes then you are called a bigot or hate fulled. There are other 'choice' words for people who actually disagree with someone elses value choices.
Am I the only one who finds the logical end to being nonjudgmental as being completely illogical and impossible. Even more than that very non beneficial.
 
People make cultural choices that cause me to cringe sometimes. Mainly because the choices seem to me to limit options. Cultural choices often follow along racial and/or socioeconomic lines. It's easy for the distinctions to get blurred.

The way you wear your clothes (or don't), the crappy foods you eat, the hatred towards other cultures or races, the squeezing of nuts and duct-taping of buttcheeks, the lack of basic dental hygiene, etc. It is totally mindless to go through life not making judgments about your own choices and it reasonably follows that, at least on occasion, you will say to yourself that "I weighed the pros and cons of the same decision you made and I chose to veer left and you chose to veer right and my choice is not only better for me, but better for anyone faced with such a choice". Hell, voting for a political candidate is such a choice.
 
If you even dare to disagree with choices that someone else makes then you are called a bigot or hate fulled.

Would one of those "choices" include being a homosexual?
 
I honestly believe that some people choose homosexuality and some people are born that way. I don't cringe at the choice to be homosexual, fwiw. For those that are homosexual, either by birth or choice, I cringe at a lifestyle of indiscriminate sex just as I would for a heterosexual or bisexual person. For no reason really other than hygiene.
 
I hate to do this, but I have to take issue with you Coelacant. I triple dog dare you to deny that you haven't judged an action and then concluded that the person who took that action was a dumbass. We all do it. Whether we take issue with the corporate suckbutt or the gangsta wannabe with his pants below his crotch or the person who chooses to go to OU or the person who refuses to vaccinate a child or the person the watches American Idol, etc. It is perfectly fair to have opinions about the choices one makes and to make conclusions based upon the observation of those choices.
 
You have to judge actions.

Avoid judging people.


Completely and utterly wrong.

We shouldn't avoid judging people, we should avoid rushing to a judgment about people.

We have to judge people, and we usually judge people based on their actions.

We must judge people, but we must do so carefully and for the right reasons.
 
Fwiw, I've never seen the show and don't intend to, but I know that some people think it's entertaining and some people think that only vapid morons can watch it. I can't comment either way and don't even know if yours was just a show reference or an insult. I'll assume it was the former.
 
This is true irony, but I went to a pawn shop today to look for a cheap stereo receiver for the country place. The boy is having a graduation party out there in two weeks and my donated receiver crapped out. Kids like tunes.

Anyway, I ended up behind some dude who was dragging a weedeater in and he had it in one hand and some fast food in the other. Either an Eggamuffin or Whataburger based on the yellow wrapper. He totally blocked all access to the shop with his stolen weedeater (yeah, I know, but the odds are in favor of that) while his pants literally fell to the ground TWICE. Commando style. He waved his wang at me when I asked him to please pull up his pants and allow me to peruse the stolen stereos. I judged him as a ******* moron or drunk or addict. Did I judge poorly?

I swear I did not make that up.
 
Nick, you assume correctly. It was just a cheap show reference. It's actually kinda entertaining sometimes, and this is coming from someone who rarely watches anything on TV. My wife and daughter roped me in.

Your judgment on Mr Pants Dropper sounds spot-on.
 
Oh, I don't know.

It's certainly one thing to judge someone indiscriminately.

However, it is another to recognize the reality about an individuals.

Some people are, indeed, idiots, liars, and dumbasses.


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Don't pat yourself on the back Coelacant. I don't give a **** about offending you. The fact that you thought that was the case is emblematic of why you are just an incredibly negative influence on civil discourse around here.
 
I never thought I'd say this but I agree with Perham in response to Coel's take.

You absolutely judge people - and while you certainly shouldn't rush to it and make overly harsh judgments or ones without sufficient facts, the bottom line is you are judged by your fruits.

One of my biggest gripes about this culture is that we dodge the simple fact that if you lie, you are a liar. if you blow your stack and beat your wife, you are in fact an abusive person. People often say when they are caught saying something mean in private: "well, that's not who I am". No, that's exactly who you are - you were in the presence of people with whom you felt safe, and you said what was on your mind. But as a society we've decided that the filtered facade is who we are, and that's not the case.

Anyway, there is a big difference between discernment and condemnation. We should be doing a whole lot more of the former, and have the understanding that God (or whatever higher authority you want to pick if you're an atheist) is the one that does the latter.
 
you can judge a person based upon their decisions or actions. As a society, we are also bombarded with stereotypes from TV as well.

There are some easy judgments, someone goes into a liquor store and robs the store for a few hundred bucks and for no reason, shoots and kills the store clerk. You can make a judgment that the man that shot the clerk is a bad person. nothing wrong with that, that was easy.

Hollywood makes a habit of depicting corporate executives as bad, they are usually the one that commits the crime on the relevant TV detective show. There was a study done about this actually. TV has helped perpetuate the idea of the evil corporation/executive. It is so widespread that an entire demographic has been influenced to believe this.

There are other more subtle judgments we make. For instance, you go to a late 10:00pm R rated movie. A parent brings a 5 year old and the kid is making a lot of noise and carrying on. What would be your judgment about the parent? Mine would be that not only is he acting innappropriately by bringing a young kid to a movie, he is being inconsiderate by allowing the kid to act up. Same could be said of a parent in a restaurant who allows their kid to run around.

There is nothing wrong about making judgments about people. If you hire someone for a job, you make judgments about people. judgments are imperative to a well working society and to keep you safe. it is a defense mechanism.
 
Not only is it part of our basic make up to make judgements I would argue that it is beneficial to society when we make collective judgements. How else would you develop rules/laws? My sister is a teacher and we had a discussion once about her correcting her students. She felt like she had no place to correct them since she had done similar things as a kid. I told her it was absolutely her place as she experience and perspective now to understand what was wrong with her previous actions and had the responsibility to judge the kids in that light and make corresponding corrections.
 
She felt like she had no place to correct them since she had done similar things as a kid.
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That is a big wow. she has no business having children.
 
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