Jim Rogers on US Financial Crisis

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A lot of people claimed nobody could foresee the crash of 2008. That is a bunch of bs, the information was everywhere. Well, the same people are speaking again. You should all listen...In short, if they start QE-3, it will be to basically hold things together until after the 2012 election. The dollar will then fall apart.

The U.S. is approaching a financial crisis worse than 2008, Jim Rogers, chief executive, Rogers Holdings, warned CNBC Wednesday.

"The debts that are in this country are skyrocketing," he said. "In the last three years the government has spent staggering amounts of money and the Federal Reserve is taking on staggering amounts of debt.

"When the problems arise next time…what are they going to do? They can’t quadruple the debt again. They cannot print that much more money. It’s gonna be worse the next time around."

The well-known investor believes the government won't shut down in August if agreement isn't reached on raising the debt ceiling, but he did say "draconian cuts" are needed in taxes and spending, especially military spending.

"We’ve got troops in 150 countries around the world. They’re not doing us any good, they’re making enemies. They’re costing us a fortune," he said.

Rogers said he is "not long anything in the U.S." and short on American tech stocks. He owns Chinese stocks as well as commodities and would love the world price of silver and gold to come down so he could "pick up the phone and buy more."

He said he owns Chinese stocks, currencies and commodities, adding the Chinese yuan will be a safer currency than the dollar.

"The U.S. is the largest debtor nation in the history of the world," he said. "The debts are going through the roof. Would you keep lending money to somebody who's spending money and not doing anything about it? No you wouldn't."

The pound sterling lost 90% of its value when it was no longer the world's reserve currency, he said, and the dollar will, too. In keeping with his philosophy he said he owns the U.S. dollar and is waiting for a rally. "If it doesn't happen I'll have to sell and take my losses."

He called Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke a "disaster" who has "never been right about anything" since he's been in Washington. "I hope he doesn't come back with QE3 but that's all he knows. The only thing he knows is to print money."

He predicted that after the Fed ends its quantitative easing program, known as QE2, this month, it may come back under another name.

"They're gonna bring it back because [Bernanke will] be terrified and Washington will be terrified," he said. "There's an election coming in November 2012. Washington's gonna print more money."
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I have a friend whose brother is an economist. He is basically predicting the end of the US. Too dramatic I think but the same message in its essence.
 
Here's his interview with W.S.J.

He discusses the dollar crash possibly conceivably happening this fall and if not then within 5 years.

I'm interested to hear this boards view on what he said. I don't think it'll be a Mad Max scenario at all. I think there will be some pockets of violence, but in general it'll be wait and see after the hyper-inflation.

I think it just makes good sense to take care of your three B's - beans, bullets and band-aids on general principle, but I've been telling everyone to buy 2 gallons of water ($2), and something your family likes to eat (for us, a package of pasta ($1) and can of sauce ($1)) on the weekly shopping runs. That's less than $5 and gets you a day of eating in case of an emergency and those things last for years.

I personally like to stock up on wolf brand chili, so I may have natural gas when no one else does, when the **** hits the fan.
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No reason to ever NOT buy silver, or gold if you can afford it, imo ... but only after you've taken care of the things that can immediately take care of your family (can't eat silver and gold buillon!)
 
I'm glad I don't live in a dense population center. Thats the last place I would want to be when the dollar goes to ****.

Country living is suiting me just fine right now.
 
I agree that the U.S. deficits/debt is going to lead to major problems soon, but China has some big problems of its own with high inflation and a huge real estate bubble.
 
Rex - I like silver, but I also didn't buy it to resell for a "profit", it's a long term, give to my daughter when she's 25 or so. So when it dips like it did recently, I bought a few more ounces.

and are you saying it's not smart to have emergency rations?

Recently in Tuscaloosa there was a huge tornado.
No credit cards allowed anywhere, most stores not open. Do you think something like that couldn't happen anywhere?

Just to clarify, you think it's a bad idea to plan for emergency situations?
I'm trying to teach my daughter than failing to prepare is preparing to fail, so I hope I'm not to far off base with that!

I wouldn't mind a point by point response to WHY you think Jim Rogers is incorrect. I don't see him as the always being correct, but I definitely lean to what he preaches.

I can't help but feel you're making it black and white (lumping me in with A's). I think there's tons of grey area. Don't bankers talk about diversifying? I've got my 401k, my trust fund, all those things bankers think I should have.

I also have some land to bug out to, silver, tons of ammo and (what I hope atleast), plenty of food and water to take care of my family and a couple of more people.

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I think you're making prudent moves - I do. I think you may be taking things to an extreme, but there is not necessarily any harm there.

On another note, the gold-peddling doomsayers really irk me, because people eat that **** up, and they don't know what they're talking about. If you're buying and holding and it's no more than 10% of your portfolio, it's wise.
 
I had actually come back to delete my post and send it to you via PM.

what I don't want, is for you to think I'm trying to show you up, that's silly on the internet and even more silly because I don't know enough about economics.

I try to let a very macro / common sense ideal guide me, so I genuinely wanted your opinions, because I read the west mall often, and your views differ so much for mine. (that being said, I never think I know everything, so I like getting tons of information and processing it for myself, right or wrong)

Do you believe that it's inevitable, just basic math, that at some point there has to be a "margin call" for the dollar? I truly do, and frankly, I'd rather it happen sooner instead of when my daughter is an adult and making her deal with the mess.
 
I don't think that it's yet inevitable, but if Obama is reelected we're hosed. Even if he's not, it may be that he can do enough damage in the next year and a half to push us over the edge. It's truly amazing the way he is doing almost the exact opposite of what needs to be done in virtually every regard.
 
If the economy crashes look for the government to issue coupons for everything (rationing) as was done during WWII. Essentially that will complete Obama's self confessed transformation of America from free market to command economy and provide his socialists/marxists with the threat of 'submit, starve or die' they need to deprecate the Constitution.

Either the national socialists (centralized wankers) will be strong enough to serve up local feudalistic lords, barons, earls etc. or as individuals it will be up to us to secure our food and bend the knee to a suitable local war lord and see where things lead for the next 200 years.

One solution might be to lower taxes and spending to the point where businesses in America could manufacture paper clips cheaper than it costs the Chinese to make and ship to America. Either way the rationing is coming. Do you want to do it, or do you a want a Washington wanker to do it for you?
 

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