Longhorny630
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is now a persona non grata in Detroit, not that you'd want to be there anyway. MLB should overrule his call and award Gallaraga a perfect game.
Jim Joyce
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Oilfield
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Gosh that unpire was right there in position to make the call and he completely blew it. Not even close. I don't think I've ever seen such a poor blown call in such a huge situation. Terrible.
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Oilfield
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Seems like the scorekeeper could make is a bit closer to right by ruling that as an error on the pitcher. I mean he's there with the ball. So, if the runner was safe then it has to be because the pitcher bobbled the ball or missed the bag. So it is an error and the no-hitter is in tact. Right?
hookem2003
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That was exactly my thought, Oilfield.
Mesohorny
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Jim Joyce: "I just cost that kid a perfect game."
Well, no ****.
The play wasn't that close. Joyce should be suspended for the season.
It's not so much abt losing a no-hitter; those are tossed every season. It's losing the perfect game, which gets your name in Cooperstown despite the rest of your career.
And almost 3 gems in less than half a season? Unbelievable.
Well, no ****.
The play wasn't that close. Joyce should be suspended for the season.
It's not so much abt losing a no-hitter; those are tossed every season. It's losing the perfect game, which gets your name in Cooperstown despite the rest of your career.
And almost 3 gems in less than half a season? Unbelievable.
Son of a Son
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F suspending the guy, this is the first umpir in history (to my knowledge) to say "Wow, I F'ed up!".
I say give the sum'***** a raise and then change the scoresheet to give the kid his game. 99.9% of umpires I have met will never admit they're wrong, in the worst cases, they just refuse to comment. At least this guy admitted his screwup!
I say give the sum'***** a raise and then change the scoresheet to give the kid his game. 99.9% of umpires I have met will never admit they're wrong, in the worst cases, they just refuse to comment. At least this guy admitted his screwup!
RockyBalboa
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Chest Rockwell
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I'll give props to Joyce for owning up to this, but this is just another reason why there needs to be a change in umpiring. If they can review instant replay for a potential HR, then why can't they do the same thing for something as historic as this?? It sucks that Gallaraga got screwed out of an achievment that has only happened ~20 times in the history of the game, but how bad is it going to be when one of these guys blow a call in a play-off game that costs a team a Pennant or World Championship??
A lot of these umps have taken the personality that they are bigger than the players/coaches that people pay to see. Joe West, Tim McLelland, Bill Hohn - they all need to go. Replace these guys with younger/cheaper guys and implement a replay booth where a 5th ump can immediately right a wrong.
A lot of these umps have taken the personality that they are bigger than the players/coaches that people pay to see. Joe West, Tim McLelland, Bill Hohn - they all need to go. Replace these guys with younger/cheaper guys and implement a replay booth where a 5th ump can immediately right a wrong.
Longhorny630
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The kicker really is that the ump acknowledged he f'ed up. If the ump willingly agrees to the fact that the runner was out by a definitive margin, and in this particular situation where it was the last out of the game, the pitcher should be given his perfect game. If it were any other out but the 27th, I would say leave it as is since the call alters the remainder of the game, but since this play would've ended the game, it should be a perfect game. And I don't know how many of you saw it, but the catch by the centerfielder on the 26th out (maybe 25th) was amazing, Willie Mays style.
Bad day for umps....Watching the Twinkies-Mariners game, the twins were robbed as bad as it can get- they lost the game on a blown call on the last at bat.. Wasn't really that close at 2nd on a force play w/ 2 out, ump called the runner safe & Langerhans scored from 2nd.
Former Longhorn great Mike Brumley waived Langerhans in (cool UT connection there) home. On the post game interview on fox-seattle Langerhans said he heard Brumley say "oh no" when Langerhans was halfway home. He guessed the runner was out at 2nd but kept running hard "just in case".
Former Longhorn great Mike Brumley waived Langerhans in (cool UT connection there) home. On the post game interview on fox-seattle Langerhans said he heard Brumley say "oh no" when Langerhans was halfway home. He guessed the runner was out at 2nd but kept running hard "just in case".
safe to say joyce won't get any post season or all star assignments, eh? i can't see dumping him, he made a mistake...but for the next few yrs he'll always be "that guy that cost someone a place in history"...if he f'd up in a post season game in the next few yrs (he's my age, so he's old & w/ retire in a few yrs) the commish would have some splainin to do.
i do like his admission of fault....very good of him
i do like his admission of fault....very good of him
Alex_de_Large
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Wow is that like 3 perfect games in the last 2 months or so? What is going on?
What none of you have mentioned was the absolutely awesome way Galarraga handled the situation: the blown call and the subsequent apology. He gave a lesson that EVERYONE can learn from -- how to be gracious even when things don't go your way. He was all class.
ALL CLASS. He's just become one of my favorite players.
ALL CLASS. He's just become one of my favorite players.
accuratehorn
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Not as bad as when Spike Owen was called out at third in the College World Series, but close.
Really, Gallaraga amazed me with his reaction. He does define "class," something completely lacking in most pro players. Everyone expected the guy to explode, admit it, and get in the ump's face and be ejected from the game. Gallaraga was impressively calm and collected, just giving a wry-looking smile.
But that call-I know there are times in a game where the ump isn't in the best position to make a call, or can't be in two places at once, or when there is a "bang-bang" play that you can't tell if the runner is safe or not even with repeated replays...but not this call.
The ump was in good position, the ball wasn't bobbled, the runner was clearly out by almost a full step. This wasn't close, and any fan who has been to a number of baseball games could see it wasn't close. It wasn't judgment, it wasn't a flip-a-coin play. He was out.
Couple this with two other factors that are totally obvious. One, this was a home game for Detroit, and if a call is too close to judge, umps often give it to the home team. Two, this was a freaking perfect game, one of the rarest feats in all of baseball history. The drama increases with each out, then each pitch, especially in the ninth inning. The second out was a fantastic, dramatic running catch to preserve and increase the tension, the drama, the hugeness of the moment.
You can't be asleep at a moment like that, you have to be at the top of your game. You have to be aware that history is being made. You love baseball, you want to be part of its rich storied lore. If there is any bias, it must be toward calling the runner out.
Sure, you call it like you see it, but it wasn't close for a baseball play. And if he thought it was, he should have given the benefit to the home team, the history of the moment, the drama and glory of the perfect game.
There's nothing that can be done now. A call for more instant replays in really big moments could come about due to this mistake. Baseball doesn't really have a mechanism to overturn an ump's judgment call.
I think when list of no-hitters and perfect games are published, there is a list of "un-official" games right underneath, like where the pitcher came out and another pitcher finished, or various odd circumstances. This game should be listed that way, I suppose. It is the ultimate asterisk game, but I don't see any other outcome.
It's too bad, and Gallaraga deserves better.
Really, Gallaraga amazed me with his reaction. He does define "class," something completely lacking in most pro players. Everyone expected the guy to explode, admit it, and get in the ump's face and be ejected from the game. Gallaraga was impressively calm and collected, just giving a wry-looking smile.
But that call-I know there are times in a game where the ump isn't in the best position to make a call, or can't be in two places at once, or when there is a "bang-bang" play that you can't tell if the runner is safe or not even with repeated replays...but not this call.
The ump was in good position, the ball wasn't bobbled, the runner was clearly out by almost a full step. This wasn't close, and any fan who has been to a number of baseball games could see it wasn't close. It wasn't judgment, it wasn't a flip-a-coin play. He was out.
Couple this with two other factors that are totally obvious. One, this was a home game for Detroit, and if a call is too close to judge, umps often give it to the home team. Two, this was a freaking perfect game, one of the rarest feats in all of baseball history. The drama increases with each out, then each pitch, especially in the ninth inning. The second out was a fantastic, dramatic running catch to preserve and increase the tension, the drama, the hugeness of the moment.
You can't be asleep at a moment like that, you have to be at the top of your game. You have to be aware that history is being made. You love baseball, you want to be part of its rich storied lore. If there is any bias, it must be toward calling the runner out.
Sure, you call it like you see it, but it wasn't close for a baseball play. And if he thought it was, he should have given the benefit to the home team, the history of the moment, the drama and glory of the perfect game.
There's nothing that can be done now. A call for more instant replays in really big moments could come about due to this mistake. Baseball doesn't really have a mechanism to overturn an ump's judgment call.
I think when list of no-hitters and perfect games are published, there is a list of "un-official" games right underneath, like where the pitcher came out and another pitcher finished, or various odd circumstances. This game should be listed that way, I suppose. It is the ultimate asterisk game, but I don't see any other outcome.
It's too bad, and Gallaraga deserves better.
Wow is that like 3 perfect games in the last 2 months or so? What is going on?
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after expansion and diluted pitching, i think the pitchers are finally catching up to the hitters. also, there are fewer good hitters. i mean, did anyone see that dodgers game yesterday. 0-0 to the 14th inning against crappy pitchers with 7.0+ era's? it was disgraceful. hitting is just bad right now. there arent many great hitters with great technique anymore.
as for the umpire, he had no place making that call as safe. the kid was going for a no-hitter, to call him safe is a disgrace unless he is absolutely sure.
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after expansion and diluted pitching, i think the pitchers are finally catching up to the hitters. also, there are fewer good hitters. i mean, did anyone see that dodgers game yesterday. 0-0 to the 14th inning against crappy pitchers with 7.0+ era's? it was disgraceful. hitting is just bad right now. there arent many great hitters with great technique anymore.
as for the umpire, he had no place making that call as safe. the kid was going for a no-hitter, to call him safe is a disgrace unless he is absolutely sure.
Son of a Son
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Just read on MSNBC that Joyce jocked-up, went to the Tigers' locker room and asked to speak to Gallaraga. When he got the opportunity, he apologized in person. I know he blew it, and blew it bad, but man...I have never seen an official stand up more than Joyce has after this.
I really think Selig overturns the call. It wasn't a bad call in the 5th or 6th. It wasn't a bad call to the first two hitters in the 9th. It was a bad call on the 3rd out, 27th at-bat of a perfect game. The 28th at-bat then proceeded to make the 3rd out. The only thing affected if Selig overturns the call is that the batter who made the third outs' batting average will go back up a ocuple of points because he won't be charged with an AB.
I really think Selig overturns the call. It wasn't a bad call in the 5th or 6th. It wasn't a bad call to the first two hitters in the 9th. It was a bad call on the 3rd out, 27th at-bat of a perfect game. The 28th at-bat then proceeded to make the 3rd out. The only thing affected if Selig overturns the call is that the batter who made the third outs' batting average will go back up a ocuple of points because he won't be charged with an AB.
Alex_de_Large
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And the BA of the batter credited with the hit going down a 1 or 2.
Longhorny630
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