Jalen Green and Caden Sterns healthy

mchammer

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We play a lot better on D. Who would have thunk?

What happened to Green ejection? It was a running play on opposite of field. Seemed accidental. At game, didn’t see replays.
 
Yes, dirty and stupid.

Gave TCU a FG to tie the game and he cannot play in the 1st half of the Iowa State game.
 
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Interesting the way they used Sterns this game. Moved him around a lot. He rarely played in. Free safety type spot. That was more often BJ. The pass D as a whole was sooooo much better when they moved up to press the receivers. Pissed me off when they played back, giving 5-7 yards or even more and KSt killed us with those blasted flare outs.
 
Definitely intentional. Dirty, selfish, malicious, all of the above. Needlessly put a guy in danger of serious injury even though they were at least 40 yards away from the play.
 
No leading with the helmet and no launch. The Kansas State player was merely not aware of his surroundings or where he was going. Jalen green basically just brushed him off with his shoulder pads.

It seems we are now playing Powder Puff football rules when the play is away from the ball. I am not for injury but when players are blind as to what is going on around them, the blindsided rule is totally stupid. Football is still a contact game.

Oops! Sorry for the repeat but I really did not see a targeting incident there as called.
 
he definitely blind-sided the kid who was looking back at the QB. but the kid with his head turned was very helmet forward. if it's your responsibility to hit the guy (on a wideout screen) to blow up the play, Green would have had to lean back Matrix-style to avoid hitting that kid's helmet.

it seemed ill-advised, but not ill-intended imo. it is a penalty. at the replay online, that kid seems tiny also.
 
No leading with the helmet and no launch.
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Agreed. Not targeting. A dirty, unnecessary cheap shot worthy of ejection, but it didn't happen to fit the definition of 'targeting'.

Jalen green basically just brushed him off
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This is a gross under-exaggeration. He slammed into the KSU player's head with a large amount of force, he just happened to use the front of his head and not the top of it. So, hurrah that at least he was smart enough to not lower his own head and risk injuring his neck.

It seems we are now playing Powder Puff football rules
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This is a slippery slope tactic.
 
I thought the play looked both penalty-worthy and maybe slightly dirty, but that the bodily reaction of the hit player didn't seem to match the force...looked kind of circumstantial and almost "freak".
Personally think it appeared and was panned worse than it was...
I bet Jaylen was genuinely surprised at the result of his contact.
 
Statalyzer said:
Definitely intentional. Dirty, selfish, malicious, all of the above. Needlessly put a guy in danger of serious injury even though they were at least 40 yards away from the play.
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I am not going to pass judgement on Green and disagree with your punishment. Yes, the hit deserved the penalty; however, I do not know what transpired between the two up to that point. It could be that the second offense was the one that got caught.

There are a lot of players on Sunday have been guilty of the same offense. Green does not have a history of similar offenses, so let the kid play the 2nd half. He has missed so much of the season with injury. Let TH handle it, he has the tape pf the entire game and can watch what went on that we are unaware
 
Watching it again, and again, not confident it was as malicious as previously thought. He should have backed off and not made it at all but he definitely did not launch and it was not a helmet lowering hit. It was his shoulder and could even be agreed by the video a ‘I’m here’ type of brush off. The reaction seemed larger than impact but would help to see from opposite angle. I’m not as critical as I was the first time I saw the game time single replay.
 
dukesteer said:
Weren’t both Green and Cook ejected late in the Sugar Bowl for targeting? (I’m too lazy to look it up.)
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Yes, I do not think either was classified as a dirty play. As I recall, Cooks was worse than Green.

I do not classify all targeting as dirty,but what do I know. I am comfortable leaving it up to TH. He did suspend Holton Hill, his best CB.

Just my opinion, not an expert on anything.
 
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Looked like an opportunistic flop by the WR to me. Green hit him with his Shoulder Pad. I was trained to plant my helmet in the WR’s chest and when I saw stars, coach said “good hit”. But that was long before targeting existed. Different era now.
Bryant Westbrook agrees.
 
nashhorn said:
Watching it again, and again, not confident it was as malicious as previously thought. He should have backed off and not made it at all but he definitely did not launch and it was not a helmet lowering hit. It was his shoulder and could even be agreed by the video a ‘I’m here’ type of brush off. The reaction seemed larger than impact but would help to see from opposite angle. I’m not as critical as I was the first time I saw the game time single replay.
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I disagree with many of the targeting calls because of the fact the ball carrier makes a sudden move with his shoulders and head right into the forward progress of the defenders pathway causing head to head contact. It is very difficult to move at the very last instant to avoid head helmet-to-helmet contact. a Defender would almost hurt himself trying to avoid contact like that. I am aware of blatant, malicious hits on a guy but most aren't like that. I hate those calls.
 
BurntOrangeLH said:
No leading with the helmet and no launch. The Kansas State player was merely not aware of his surroundings or where he was going. Jalen green basically just brushed him off with his shoulder pads.

It seems we are now playing Powder Puff football rules when the play is away from the ball. I am not for injury but when players are blind as to what is going on around them, the blindsided rule is totally stupid. Football is still a contact game.

Oops! Sorry for the repeat but I really did not see a targeting incident there as called.
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No launch? Have you WATCHED the video? He didn't go horizontal, but there was definitely a launch and the hit was definitely intentional to the area above the shoulders.

If that had been done to a Texas player, I would all but guarantee most here would have labeled it as dirty...and demanded a multi-game suspension.
 
dukesteer said:
My gosh. Did you see the receiver’s head snap? Very scary. Believe me, that was no flop.
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KSU player's head was down so that after Green's left shoulder pad hit the front of the KSU player's chest pad it impacted that player's lowered face mask. Defender's helmet was not involved in the impact.

At no time was said player exhibiting situational awareness beyond that of an off-field spectator. If he had, he could have easily avoided or prepared for permissable contact from the defender. His choice was not to be aware. That is not the defenders problem. The defender was playing football and not spectating the action on the other side of the field which is exactly his assignment.
 
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No launch? Have you WATCHED the video? He didn't go horizontal, but there was definitely a launch and the hit was definitely intentional to the area above the shoulders.
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So defender's must now remain flat-footedly stationary until the offensive player runs up to greet them? Really?

The impact point with defender's shoulder pad was definitely below the neckline. I have seen the play 3 times.
 
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he definitely blind-sided the kid who was looking back at the QB. but the kid with his head turned was very helmet forward. if it's your responsibility to hit the guy (on a wideout screen) to blow up the play, Green would have had to lean back Matrix-style to avoid hitting that kid's helmet.

it seemed ill-advised, but not ill-intended imo. it is a penalty. at the replay online, that kid seems tiny also.
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I thought it was just football. Everyone on the field is subject to contact, as long as said contact is not launched and led with the crown of the launcher's helmet nor targeting the tackled player's helmet.

I did not see any of those elements in that play.
 
I just don’t understand how anyone could argue that the hit was not only unnecessary, but that it was not a very dirty play.

Does anyone think that Green’s statement was written by him? Really? It’s window dressing, carefully constructed for him by someone else. Not knocking the statement, just telling it like it is.

What we saw was disgusting and to attempt to pass it off as anything other than a cheap, dirty, stupid and unnecessary hit is surprising to me.

If I were TH, I would also come out and make a statement, reiterating what he probably already said, through Green. Herman needs to say something. That’s not how we play the game at Texas.

Should the kid be given a second chance? Of course. But a single half suspension is not enough. Or, for those of you who think that it is, I would assume that if a KSU defender had pulled the same crap on Colin Johnson, snapping his head back with a violent, blind side hit with the ball nowhere in sight, you would also be defending that player, correct? Not a chance...
 
I would like to think I would look at it as critically as I did this one but in truth you may be correct, if it was against CJ I would probably be outraged but then again he is one of my two favs.
Maybe not though cause I have corrected my rage before in some calls that were directed in favor of other team - not often though.
 
He goes straight for the head, away from the ball, wtf??? How can people look at the same thing and have such wildly different opinions. Like I'm watching Fox and CNN at the same time. It doesn't matter whether he lead with the crown of the helmet. They're not going to let you hit anyone above the neck like that and not get ejected. And there's an official right there watching it. Right there. So not only does he put this kids future at risk, he puts the team at risk. Sorry, if he played for me, he wouldn't be playing until I was damn good and ready for him to play and that'd be awhile. TH preaches discipline but I see too much of this. Guys need to be held accountable by more than just the refs. It pissed me off when it happened and it still pisses me off. We're better than that or we sure the hell should be.
 
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