Iranian nuke scientist killed by bomb

The above is quite possible it could be elements within. There is still a decently strong anti-clerical government movement who realizes that moves in the direction of nuke weapons spells trouble for Iran on an international level. They want change and this is one of the ways they can maybe mold it. The demonstrations did not work.

But my first thought was Israel and for sure some U.S. involvement even if just support/knowledge of the goings on. Maybe some use of spy satellites to coincide with Mossod operatives or sources on the ground. Our people did not wake up surprised.
 
An obvious hit. The US supports dissenters in Iran. How do you think we overthrew Mossadeq in 1953? We didnt use bombs or tanks then.

Probably Israel, maybe the US, less likely internal. Iranians may not like their government, but its not as hate filled as Western media would have you believe. The majority of Iranians are also not against their country developing nuclear capabilities, whether for energy or military purposes.

Iranians are proud people. Its disconcerting however, that we pretty much go and assassinate one of their scientists, who isnt making a bomb mind you, only working on the process of honing nuclear power, and yet we cry bloody murder over a washed up used car salesman trying to get the Zetas to kill a Saudi diplomat... (allegedly)

The US is basically at war with Iran already by proxy. Other scientists have been assassinated in the last few years, the stuxnet worm has struck, we support dissension in the country and fly drones into their airspace illegally, put sanctions on them when they kick our puppet out.....

I mean good grief. And then we act all shocked that they hate us. Iran had no ill will toward the US and the West prior to 1953. Only after toppling the Shah did the US begin to earn the ire of those people. Supporting Saddam Hussein after he attacked Iran sure didnt help our image either.

Is Iran the Land of Oz? No. But it aint Mordor either...
 
Iran is moving their centrifuges underground, and they've already said they are aiming for 20% enriched uranium. That they are pursuing a nuclear weapon is obvious to anyone who isn't blind. The assassination of key Iranian nuclear scientists and the use of destructive tools such as Stuxnet are Israel's attempts to delay the advent of Iran's first nuclear bomb. Iran is getting backed into a corner, so the question is whether Iran will capitulate (unlikely, IMO) or whether the covert war becomes an overt war.
 
I'm sorry. I missed the part about how the US was proven to be involved in this. Not saying it's not, but a defense lawyer wouldnt want some of you on their jury.
 
I've got a dumb question. I'm not passing judgment on who was behind this, but what's wrong with killing these guys?

If Obama is behind it, God bless him. I'm still not gonna vote for him, but keep killing more of these wingnuts.
 
Everyone here on the board can only speculate, or in some cases, link to looney blogs who are also speculating. My speculation is that we are involved with Israel- and if so, I love it.

We have a long history of either directly or indirectly doing operations like this with Israel be it with intelligence, equipment, money, soldiers or some other combination. Israel took out Syria's reactor a few years ago, they did the same to Iraq in the 1980's, and we likely worked together on the computer virus that worked well 2 years ago in Iran.

This is probably much more effective in results, lives and money than starting a new war.
 
It only makes sense when there are posters on here that think its ok to kill scientists working in other countries on technology that the US has itself worked on for decades. You know, those US scientists have families and lives and have worked hard for themselves to develop technology capable of destroying the world. Do they deserve to die? Do American university students who have earned advanced degrees in nuclear engineering deserve to die for having continued to develop nuclear technology that Iranian engineers are now trying to do themselves?

That there are posters here who say they are glad that Israel and the US would do such things is really disheartening.

To the posters that say there is a pathological hatred of the US here, no, you are confused. It is critical that Americans are critical of what America does, and you have to understand that being critical of US actions is essential to being a patriotic citizen.

Iran has not attacked the United States. Killing their scientists is not only an act of war, it is immoral and wrong. There is no proof that Iran has a bomb or is going to actually make one. And if they make one, there is no proof that they are going to use one any more than the US will use one.... again.

Drudging up bad translations that have been debunked to use as evidence that Iran will use one are not good enough. Saying that Iran will give a nuke to a terrorist is HUGE speculation.

And people continue to fail to understand history and its relevance to everything we are talking about.

If we are going to be responsible citizens, we have to call out our government when it is in the wrong. That is not the same as hating America, but that is classic line that gets spit out every time.

If Iran gets a nuke, they wont use it. Israel will flatten them if they did. The US will flatten them if they did. People act like Iran doesnt know this.

Its sick that there are people here saying "Yeah, kill those scientists." Those scientists went to college, earned degrees, have families just like you, and they care about their country just like you, and you say they deserve to die when they are no threat to you at all.

Some flag waving drunk driver might kill you tonight when you are on the road. An Iranian scientist 8000 miles away isnt.
 
Here's your assignment for today: read the prior post by 2003TexasGrad then read the article in The Atlantic on John J. Mearsheimer.

The US, as a country, must act in its interests. There is no room for such warm and fuzzy words like "immoral" or "wrong". People who use those words in realpolitik/foreign affairs are not closers; they will never get the coffee.

But seriously, read The Atlantic article.

Israel, imo, will attempt to bring the US into their quarrel with Iran. The US needs to be wary about that.

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Perham, 2003,

I read bits of the Atlantic article (it's very long) and I of course read 2003's post. Let me say this- if you agree with 2003 you likely attended the Neville Chamberlain school of Foreign Affairs. If your point was about Iraq- you'd have a point. However had we used the standard for attacking Iraq onto Iran we would have attacked Iran years ago. Iran openly acknowledges their nuclear plans, they've given tours of their facilities to UN related groups, and their scientists have mingled with well known Russian, Korean and other entities for parts. How else do you think US/Israel had something to sabotage?
Now- you may want to use a lack of clarity as a reason for not acting- I mean Hitler only said he'd stop after Czechoslovakia was a much clearer statement. And the dozens of quotes we've all seen where Ahmadinejad explicitly says what he'd like to do to Americans and Israelis and British- you want us to ignore that or dismiss as bad translation?, got it. The propaganda about America, the propaganda that the holocaust never existed, the Iranians he killed who protested in the streets in 2006, this is the man you want to gamble is reasonable with nuclear weapons and technology? Ok, got it.

Perhaps you should dismiss me as a "war monger" because I am all for taking out any person who supports an Iranian nuclear program, and while you do that- dismiss the fact that I am 100% for removing troops from Afghanistan/Iraq, and of course when I later had the correct information on Iraq realized what a huge mistake that was. In this case- the evidence is not bundled CIA reports- it's everywhere. You have to be blind, deaf and stupid to not understand Iran intends to build nuclear weaponry as they partner with 2 other countries that already have.

I respect your views, but just don't feel like risking millions of lives because you feel bad for a few Iranian scientists who were killed.
 
I don't feel bad that some scientists were killed. And if we act only on what Ahmadinejad says then we are no better than Pavlovian dogs: we must look at what he does more than what he says; at what he can do, at what our intel tells us.

I'm not averse to taking out Iran's nuclear program, but the bad Muslim nuclear genie will come out of the bottle soon (it's already out, actually.) But is it worth it? I think mid east oil is more vital to American interests than is the survival of the state of Israel.
 
I don't feel bad for scientists.

I do feel a grave distrust of our ability to rationally address this issue - after all, we still subscribe to the idea that the Iranian pres said he wants to wipe out Israel.

I don't think that Iran is pursuing nuke tech for reasons that exclude weaponry. Neither do I think that an Iran with nuclear capability will destabilize the region or lead to the death of millions. The Iranian government is not the stronghold of madmen that our media likes to present.

I think that the Iranian government with a nuke can be considered less troubling than the Pakistani government.

If Israel feels that they must be the only nuclear porcupine in the region, then let them do what they will and let them do it of their own accord.

I don't see any win for the US stemming from some sort of military attack on Iran.
 
McBrett,

The United States created the Iranian monster you so despise because of our foreign policy in the 20th century that continues to this day.

Iran has no interest in fighting the US. The US has gone out of its way to control Iran for the last 60 years, and until 1979 the US did a good job of that. That Iran is developing nuclear technology is something that many countries have done.

The ONLY reason to stop Iran is because the US completely supports Israel. There is no other reason. Israel can take care of itself. They have hundreds of their own nukes.

People are so convinced that if Iran has nukes, they are gonna fire them at everyone. They arent. Iran is NOT North Korea, which has nukes btw. Little good it has done them....

Risking millions of lives? Millions of lives are risked every single day. Billions. Iran is not a threat to millions of lives.
 
2003TexasGrad -- I get that you are liberal and that you are anti-Israel, but you make some of the most amazing WTF? political assertions that I've ever read on a message board. While I think we're both in agreement that the GWB-led invasion of Iraq to remove Saddam Hussein from power was a ridiculous sham, your arguments on this Iran nuclear issue make you sound like an Iranian shill. (And I do think I understand other points of view, but even if I had to defend Iran's position, I wouldn't use very many of your arguments.)

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The ONLY reason to stop Iran is because the US completely supports Israel.

mcbretts post flagged this for me, which I had missed. The comment is ridiculous. That's not the only reason. Any reasonable nuclear non-proliferation/creation policy would prevent any new nation from acquiring the bomb; all the more so if the country has terrorist issues.

And as far as Iran "attacking" the US, the embassy example is a bit weak. But then let's look at how the US attacked Iran, shall we? If anything, the embassy conflict was the result of US attacks on Iran.
 
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