I'm wearing 'Depends'

Not that Bob

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It seems that cancer has little respect for “dignity.” This isn’t a “pity party” thread. I think I’m going to have it a bunch easier than many people. Still, those “Depends” commercials aren’t nearly as funny as they were a short time ago.

Some of you may remember my prostate biopsy thread from about 5 years ago. Well, we kept watching and biopsying, and damned if it didn’t finally turn up positive. I had the Da Vinci Robotic prostate surgery at North Austin Medical Center. It seemed like every nurse in the place had some type of encounter with my…well, my “business end,” and definitely not the type of “encounter” a guy would dream about. Like I said, not much dignity left. The worst insult to dignity, however, occurred the second morning after surgery when my GI system finally kicked back in. The Da Vinci type surgery causes the bowel to shut down, and you can’t be discharged until the old pooter fires back up. Well, it seems that the system gets going in fits and starts. Not one smooth “ahhh”, but a half dozen episodes of gas followed by a less than satisfactory, rapid release of water and mucous. I know, too much information…I just needed to “share” with my HornFan pals. Anyhow, on one of these trips from the bed to the bathroom, the night nurse joined me at the toilet, you know, just to see if I was okay. Having pulled myself up out of the bed numerous times (damn it hurts to do that with fresh abdominal incisions) all I could do was ask her to hold my hospital gown out of the way so that poo water didn’t splash up and get all over it. Have you ever had the worst trots in the world with a strange woman standing by you? No. Dignity. At. All.

Now I start the process of learning to control my bladder, hence the “Depends”. Slow progress is being made, which makes me happy, but it doesn’t take much of peeing in one’s pants to get old. And this is after living for 2 weeks post surgery with an indwelling urinary catheter. That, my friends, was an experience. There’s a guy at the medical supply store who has some sort of birth trauma or something, I don’t know. What I do know is that he has to wear a catheter, I suppose, forever. That man is now my hero. Any man who can deal with that crap every day is one hell of a man. He has my sincere respect.

Two more weeks before they pull blood to confirm that all the cancer was removed. After that, periodic blood tests as follow up. This creates more than a little anxiety.

All in all, this should increase my life span by decades, and I will look back on the “Depends” era of my life as a minor inconvenience…I hope. Like I said, this is not a pity party, I just want you males to go get a PSA so you can take action, if needed, and increase your life span.

Oh yeah…f cancer.
 
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Best of luck to you.

My wife and I got matching advertisements for depends from Randalls yesterday. You know, with an "attractive" older couple on the front. Jeebus.

I join you in the "not funny" department.

Again, best to you.
 
Hang in there Bob. I'm praying you will get through this stage and get back to more normal function. God bless!
 
Tough thing to go through-we are all pulling for you, hope the surgery was a complete success, and the recovery will be a distant memory within a few weeks.
One good friend had that same surgery, I believe, and it took some time for bladder control to return, but he rode his bicycle over 50 miles last weekend, and he is enjoying life.
 
No dignity + being alive > lots of dignity + being dead.

I will continue to keep you in my prayers, NTB. Your journey on this planet is not nearly over!
 
Thank you all for the kind words and well wishes. Since this is a "good" type of cancer, I am feeling pretty optimistic.

If anyone wants to discuss the process, or has questions about PSA, through biopsy, through surgery, through recovery I'm open for discussion. That was my main reason for posting.
 
best of luck bob. i think women who have c-sections have to similarly wait until the ole bowels move before being released, and they ususally need help from the nurse.
 
f Cancer.

All good luck with your recovery.

Best alive and a bit disarmed of one's sense of personal decorum and privacy than dead, naked on the slab, and surrounded by a less salutary set of strangers working on your lifeless chassis.

I do not wish to be an e-rubberneck, so I submit the following in the interest of solidarity:

In '94, early Halloween morn, I went to the Mag on Lake Austin Blvd and had a big old breakfast taco which I followed with a bag of sour patch kids. Went home, had a beer or two, and went to sleep. I awoke at about 6 a.m. and felt slightly tight in the chest (I am an asthmatic) and my gut was in turmoil. I ascended to the throne but could not evacuate. No big deal, thought I. However, my breathing was still a bit tight and my forehead began to itch intensely. I had felt that type of itch on several occasions in my pre-adolescence. That itch was hives. Mucous began to pour from my nose as if my face were a spigot. I wiped and wiped and then decided to use my albuterol inhaler, a device which sends meds to the mucous membranes of the lungs so that inflammation can be quickly brought down and the muscles of the air passages relaxed. One hit and my lungs siezed. I could hardly get air in and, in the classic dispensation of asthma, no air was getting out. The albuterol had done its work, thinning the walls of my lungs. Mucous had flooded into my lungs and they had siezed. This is a basic immunological response known as an anaphylacitc (sp) shock, a full-body allergic episode. I got dressed slowly and, because I lived on a one-block road largely hidden in the innards of East Austin, I went outside to get help from neighbors who I knew would be leaving for work at that time. I understood death's ETA was about 4 minutes give or take, and I was afraid that I would pass out while on the phone with 911 and that the hidden nature of our street would lead to an ineffective response time. I got outside and the daughter of a neighbor was pulling out of the driveway. I told her that I needed to get to the hospital. She waved me off toward her home without so much as rolling the window down. As it turned out, she had recently been robbed by some junkies and my appearance was a bit too scary. I turned to the door of her home and a figure stood in silhouette. I calmed myself and, with last breaths, explained that I was having an asthma attack and would die if not taken to the hospital. He closed the screen door and then the main door, disappearing into his home. 'Wow.' That's all I could get out. I sank to my knees in the middle of the cul-de-sac and looked at the weeds in from of my home, the yard, the trees, and thought 'well, I've had a pretty good life. I've rocked some good shows, ****** some beautiful women, enjoyed a fantastic family, read, swam, travelled, etc.' Then I thought about my mother sobbing by herself after brave moments in front of well-wishers, the ache of imagining her son dead in the street, unassisted by neighbors. I decided I had to try to drive to Brack. I have a slight recollection of relaxation and then a sort of birth, straining upward for breath, struggling to emerge from a tomb of black vaseline. My eyes came open and the bright lights of the trauma room came into focus. Nurses and EMTs and Drs. were plying their precious trade. 'Pay dirt. I'm alive. The guy called. Jesus ******* Christ, the guy called.' They explained that I would be alright, but that I had been intubated, which meant tubes were strung up my nose and down my throat and between my vocal chords. I could not speak. They siphoned mucous from my lungs by what felt like the cup full. And then it hit, the tumult in my gut announced that it would wait no more. I motioned for a writing utensil, was given a pad and paper, and feebly scribbled that I was about to disgrace myself. A matronly head nurse lifted my hip and told me to evacuate, no bed pan, no rubber pad, no nothing, and I followed those instructions to a tee. Foul, foul, foul. No one batted an eye, no one remarked, they just went about their business, and the matron came with several wet, quite warm towels and cleaned me like a newborn, which I was. She cared for me during the remainder of my stay, taking out the catheter, etc. Never did she make me feel any shame or loss of dignity. I remember and value that almost as much as the help from neighbors, EMTs, and Drs.

Our bodies are really pretty frail and our social mores, personal perceptions of boundary, etc., are hardly infallible or universally appropriate. Death comes ripping or on soft, padded feet, or with mercifully enveloping arms, etc. Our will to live is the chief repository of our dignity. Laughing about what seems to be a loss of dignity, discussing embarrassments attendant to fighting for one's own life, all of that is, of course, part of the struggle. That is the center of dignity, in my opinion. Acceptance of the imperfection of the fight, facing the unpleasant, unkempt edges of the experience, and maintaining humor and graciousness. You can't ask for more, and your won't get more.

f Death.
 
buckhorn,

I have read many of your posts, and am always enthralled by your intellect, wit, and insight. I may not always agree with everything you say, but I damn sure like the way you say it. I believe that in the past I have called you a poet. I would like to reiterate that sentiment now.

Thank you for the perspective.

NTB
 
Y'all crapped yourselves. That's funny as hell. I find myself laughing out loud. Seriously -- buckhorn, your story is awesome. Can't beat the comedic value of a man crapping himself.

And you beat death -- that has me laughing even more.

**** it, laugh at it all. It's the only weapon we really have. Hat's off to you.

But just to be safe, if we have to go anywhere together, you're riding in the bed of the truck.
 
Not that Bob,

For all of the **** (sorry, bad choice of words) you've had to endure, you sure do seem to handle it with a very upbeat demeanor. That's a pretty amazing thing, given the circumstance, and something I commend you on.

I'm sorry for what you had to go through, but it's nice to see that you are attempingd to carry a smile throughout the whole ordeal. Kudos to you for that and may God bless you with a speedy and full recovery. And I have to say, I laughed at your story. Not laughing at you, but the way in which you told the story. Again, kudos to you for staying upbeat.

Thanks also for the PSA on getting a PSA.

And f cancer.
 
Wow, Buckhorn that's a hell of a story. Did you find out what caused the allergic reaction, if you don't mind me asking?

Also, keep fighting Bob.
 
A while back my liver failed and as a result my ammonia levels went through the roof (the first hospital told my wife to go home and dig a hole). In order to combat the ammonia spike (and resulting dementia) they gave me a medicine several times a day that would almost immediately give me pretty violent shitstorms. I probably **** the bed, the nurses, myself, Everything. Even when I got home (I didn't actually go home - my wife said she didn't want deal with me) I had to take this liquid **** propellant for a month or so. I never tried depends, but I left a lot of "extra" pairs of underwear in several places which was about the only humor I had for 5 or 6 months.

I am now on a transplant list and the odds are pretty good even if the goods are odd. I don't know if I get to look forward to the lactulose again, but if you want poetry, try this from their website: "Total biomass, stoole volume and osmotic pressure is increased and pH is decreased resulting in a accelerated bowel movements and shorter transit time."
 
NtB

Thanks for your kind words. Those of us that have soiled ourselves while chatting with strangers must stick together.

I apologize for the lack of clarity.

The neighbor called. In fact, another neighbor called, as well. She was up at that time mourning her husband's death from two days earlier. He had passed at about that same hour.

When I sat with the first neighbor his daughter was present and timidly explained her experience with being robbed. I was not and am not angry with her as I looked like a junkie, snot running down my face and my hair bedheaded into absurd, nimbus formations. I totally understood her fear and, what is more, I was there to thank them. They tried to get me to believe their hand in my survival was a matter of god seeking me out for their congregation. When I told them that, near death or no near death, I didn't believe in god and would not go to church for any reason, their disappointment was palpable. I sometimes feel as though I could have gone to church with them once, just to be accommodating, but the idea of them pawing at my soul in order to rescue its 'afterlife' gave me chills. I wasn't big enough to go that far with my thanks.
 
Does anyone here have any thoughts on this story?

According to the article, 50% of men in their 50s have prostate cancer. 80% of men in their 70s have prostate cancer. And yet only 3% of men will die from prostate cancer.

Believe me, I know that cancer sucks. Watched my mom die of stomach cancer. But if this guy's information is correct, do I want to risk being one of the 50 men that needlessly faced prostate cancer treatment for the chance to be the 1 guy whose life is saved by it? It's a tricky question, IMO. I obviously don't begrudge anyone else their personal choice in the matter, but it's something I've been thinking about lately as my father-in-law has been diagnosed with it.
 
Huck,

Thanks for asking. PCa, as we insiders call it, is a controversial disease. There are many factors that go into one's decision making process. The scores you get on your PSA blood test, the nature and extent of the cancer that shows up on biopsy, the age of the patient...these are a few of the factors that one must consider. For example, (and please do not use this statement to make any decisions...this decision must be made by the patient and physician) a guy in his late 70's, with a less aggressive form of cancer, and the cancer is well isolated within the gland...this guy is more likely to die of "natural causes" than he is of the PCa. Again, I'm just shootin' the bull here, don't take this to the bank.

For me, the biopsy showed that all areas of the gland had something abnormal, although not all areas had cancer. Only about 15% of the gland had cancer, but all other areas had, at least, "chronic and current inflammation." If I used other treatments for only the cancer, I would still be left with a gland that had, at best, chronic and current inflammation. Combine that with the fact that I would be forever "looking over my shoulder" to see if the cancer had enlarged/spread, and the decision, although difficult, was obvious for me and my "worry wart" personality.

There is more, a great deal more. The Depends stage ends, and the Viagra stage begins soon. I may be singing a very different song at that time.
 
I've known at least one person who died from prostate cancer, and several others who have undergone treatment. Every single one of the guys who have undergone treatment have had the offending gland removed by surgery.

Things may change by the time I have to face it, but I sure understand that mindset.
 
Nick: you had said before that you had retired from your practice of law...I didn't realize why.

Hang in there dude.

And this thread is a good reminder to have that little "donor" sticker on your drivers license to all of us (well, in Cali it's a little sticker, not sure about the Lone Star State).

There are good people out there waiting for organs.
 
For some reason -- I really don't know why -- Texans no longer are allowed to use their driver's licenses to express their interest in donating their organs.
 
I took my daughter to DPS last week to get an ID and they asked her if she wanted to be an organ donor. I filled out all the forms for her and there wasn't a box to check or anything, but I distinctly remember them asking her is she wanted to be a donor as I need one.
 
Nick, the DPS may well keep the data... all it says on the back of my license, which I renewed in '06, is that there is a box next to a statement that says, "Directive to physician filed at tel #"
 
Thanks for the good wishes.

I wouldn't have any idea what DPS would do with the info, either. I just remember the question. It's kinda ironic in that just yesterday some oaf at RadioShack refused to take my credit card because I didn't look like the picture on my TDL. Hell, if I had known that might ever be an issue, I would have gotten a new TDL while I waited with my daughter for 3.5 hours. The amount I wanted to charge was $14.99 + tax. In all fairness to the guy, I'm a lot lighter and now bearded, but c'mon. I got pulled over in Hondo for doing 6 miles over the speed limit and even those ******** didn't question my ID. When they asked me if I had been drinking, I said "Yeah, pretty much all my life, but nothing for the last nothing for the last 7 months, 23 days and 8 hours" and they let me go. I don't really know how long it has been, but that was within a weeks or so and sounded like like I might have some sort of abacus that tracked that ****.
 

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