If securing our southern border is so nativist and wrong

US State Dept finally admits --

"I wouldn't debate the fact that there's the potential for ISIS terrorists to try to insert themselves, and we see that in some of the refugee camps in Jordan and in Turkey, where they try to insert themselves into the population......,"

 
The National Academy of Sciences report: Mass immigration costs govt up to $296 billion/year

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-costs-govt-296-billion-year-natio/#pq=1bDlYG

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But wait. That can't be correct. Surely the National Academy of Sciences is some vast right wing conspiracy.
Haven't we been told how much immigrants, especially illegals, contribute to the economy? Who was that stupid Dem witch Carole something that tried to say 1.5 million illegals contributed 17 BILLION to Texas economy.

who is more believable?:lmao:
 
Horn6721 said:
But wait. That can't be correct. Surely the National Academy of Sciences is some vast right wing conspiracy.
Haven't we been told how much immigrants, especially illegals, contribute to the economy? Who was that stupid Dem witch Carole something that tried to say 1.5 million illegals contributed 17 BILLION to Texas economy.

who is more believable?:lmao:
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I can believe that figure. Texas has a $1.6 trillion economy. Considering how many illegal immigrants are in Texas, $17 billion isn't very much.
 
Horn6721 said:
Mr D
What did they cost us?
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I don't know. I'm sure it's a lot. You'd have to look at the cost of educating their children, the cost of incarcerating those who break the criminal laws, the cost of food and housing assistance programs they and/or their children can get, Medicaid costs, etc. You'd also have to factor in costs that are much tougher to measure - added highway maintenance costs associated with their vehicles, etc.

However, the comment was that they contribute to the economy (the GDP), not to the government. Well, economists include government spending as part of GDP. That's why liberals like Paul Krugman think government spending is such a good thing from economic standpoint. Suppose an illegal immigrant works and makes $18K per year but is able to draw $4K in the earned income tax credit, another $6K in food and housing assistance, another $8K in Medicaid costs for his kids, and causes his school system to spent $40K to educate his kids. A guy like Krugman would wonder why you'd want to deport someone whose presence is contributing $76K to the GDP. He'd consider that guy to be a much more valuable piece of the economy than a grocery story manager who makes $50K per year but has no kids and draws no government benefits.
 
MrD
You explained it well.
When someone says illegals contribute an amount TO the economy it should mean net contribution for it to be a meaningful statistic.
it was pointed out how much 1.5 million educated productive legal citizens ( including legal immigrants) of Texas could net contribute to our economy.
 
Horn6721 said:
When someone says illegals contribute an amount TO the economy it should mean net contribution for it to be a meaningful statistic.
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That wouldn't serve the right political agenda. A big advantage liberals have in the political arena is that by controlling the media and academia, they set the framework for what statistics are generally regarded as relevant and widely known and what rhetoric we use.

For example, how often do we hear the Reagan tax cuts blamed for the deficits of the 1980s? All the time. However, federal income tax revenue soared, so why are the tax cuts blamed? It's because the "cost" of a tax cut is determined and discussed in ways that make it sound a lot more expensive than it actually is. They base it on what liberal economists think revenue would have been had the tax cuts never happened rather than on what revenue actually looked like before the tax cuts. On the flip side, we talk of spending being cut any time the increase isn't as big as previously projected, which makes government spending look a lot more sensible than it actually is. Accordingly, we're always arguing with one hand tied behind our back.

We used to have conservatives who could and did challenge this ******** framework (guys like Dick Armey, Phil Gramm, John Kasich, etc.). However, we've replaced them with dumbasses who don't know any better and can barely articulate a complete sentence, much less argue policy and economics.
 
Mr. Deez said:
I don't know. I'm sure it's a lot. You'd have to look at the cost of educating their children, the cost of incarcerating those who break the criminal laws, the cost of food and housing assistance programs they and/or their children can get, Medicaid costs, etc. You'd also have to factor in costs that are much tougher to measure - added highway maintenance costs associated with their vehicles, etc.
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That would be the present cost. It doubles, triples and perhaps many many more as they have kids and the kids have kids. It's like we've been standing by and just allowing this to happen. Time to go a different direction and it starts on November 8th.
 
I35 said:
That would be the present cost. It doubles, triples and perhaps many many more as they have kids and the kids have kids. It's like we've been standing by and just allowing this to happen. Time to go a different direction and it starts on November 8th.
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That's a lot harder to assume, because you don't know how their children are going to live their lives. Poor Hispanics will draw welfare if they need it, but they're pretty industrious and hardworking and don't let ethnic grievance define them. In time, that'll pay off and make them or at least their kids productive and self-reliant citizens. That's why Democrats have a hard time locking them into their coalition the way they've locked blacks in. Basically, so long as Republicans don't insult and disrespect them, then at least a large plurality of them will vote with the GOP. That's a big reason why Texas is still red, while California is a lost cause.
 
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