HR/being fired/quitting

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EllCee

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Going to make a long story short.

I've been at my job for 3 years. Done a great job. Received the best reviews of anyone in my department.

Due to changes in structure, both department and corporate, I want out.

At my last job, I gave two weeks, and was terminated on the spot. No biggie. I expected it. I want to leave my current job this Friday, but the field I'm in suggests that the same thing will happen. Upon giving my four (because things won't even stay afloat without me) weeks, I'll probably get canned, because of company policy.

How is this going to reflect on me? Try to do the right thing, the last two companies I've been with. Neither recripocated. Not a big deal, I completely understand. But how is that going to look if they end up verifying employment? Long story short, I'm prepared to quit tomorrow, but I'm in an industry that probably will say "later". And I just don't want two terminations on my employment record.

Questions... in Texas:
- Can a future employer verify who "initiated" the termination?
- Is there any reason whatsoever to give two weeks? I've been burned by it before. Ethics aside, why should I give two weeks, if during that two weeks, they can "fire" me and suddenly I've been fired from a job.
 
1) there is no loyalty perspective here. take care of yourself and yourself only.

2) I am not qualified to answer this, but i think there are economic incentives for the firm to have you down as "resigned" vs "terminated" that relate to unemployment benefits / taxes. that is, they pay more to the state for the latter vs the former.
 
furthermore, i would recommend resigning, effective immediately, and if you are as valuable as you say you are enter into a short term consulting arrangement to bridge the 4 week transition.
 
as stated above a company has incentive for you to have resigned versus them firing you, thus I doubt either of your terminations are listed as anything other than your voluntary resignation.

I'd be honest and up front with them and say you are resigning effective immediately and if they would like for you to stay for 2 or 4 weeks you will be available.
 
Try this....given the facts you've provided above....

Resign, but don't give a date (2 weeks or otherwise). Just say, that you want to pursue other interest and am resigning your position.

At this point, just stop talking.....let them make the next move.
 
See, the thing is, if you resign effective 2 weeks and they escort you out, you are still entitled to your next 2 weeks pay.

If the company auto-walks anyone who puts in their notice, they will probably still pay you the 2 weeks just to make sure you dont sue them.

I would strongly suggest giving your 2 week notice on Friday. That way they walk you out, and you start your new job on Monday.

I have had numerous friends take this avenue.

They basically have no unemployed time, they get paid and have Friday off, and continue to receive a check until their next company's 2 week waiting period for the 1st paycheck kicks in.

You have to think about yourself, and in most cases, as someone else posted above, the HR dept will only confirm or deny if the employee would be considered "rehireable"

Thats HR speak for, "did he quit or get fired?" Obviously a yes answer means you "could" be rehired ( although most companies would never do it). A "No" answer means bad Juju happened....
 
I assume that like most people in Texas, you are an at will employee. That means that you can quit at any time with no notice, and your employer can fire you at any time with no notice.

Honestly, I don't know where this concept of "two weeks' notice" came from, and why it is somehow ethical to give two weeks' notice. The fact is that if you quit, most employers want you out of there immediately to limit your ability to take their customers or their confidential information with you.

As to your specific question, KC is exactly right. HR will put "resigned--eligible for rehire" in your file once you signal your intent to resign, regardless of whether the company accepts your offer to continue working for an additional two weeks. And why should they do anything else? People who resign can't collect unemployment and can file civil rights lawsuits.

In short, give your two weeks' notice. It's dumb and without legal basis, but it's still somehow expected. It's polite. Then they'll toss you out the door and everyone will be fine and dandy.
 
Agree with above. There is no "entitlement" to the two weeks' pay if you have given notice.

Most of this stuff boils down to a "best practice" sort of thing. HRs (should) have an interest in creating a lot of evidence that their company follows best employment practices, whether those are legal or simply courtesy. It's good for companies to honor two weeks' notice, for example, because it encourages other employees who are quitting to turn in their notice as well. Companies who accept notice immediately show no incentive for their employees to grant them that sort of buffer.

Of course, as mentioned above, if there is greater risk (losing clients, etc) with keeping an employee for two weeks than with accepting their notice immediately, out goes the employee.

Two weeks' notice is a courtesy that ideally works both ways. Nothing more. It's in the same category as employee breaks. Not required.
 
once you resign, they can't say they terminated you. they don't want to terminate you. it is much easier on an employer when an employee resigns. you can tell your future job interviewers with all honesty that you resigned your position from the company.
 
Do exactly what KC-97HORN said.

BTW... If you give notice and resign, and they walk you to the door, you were not terminated, and they will pay you for the two weeks.

I gave two weeks the Friday afternoon before the Monday I started grad school. I knew the company policy required that it would be my last day. I got two week's pay for sitting in class.

Always give notice. Future employers will ask you if you do/did.
 
I've always given 2-3 weeks as a courtesy to my management. You'll never know when your paths may cross again or when you'll have an interest in returning to the company. The 2 weeks is purely a courtesy to transition your workload to someone else.
 
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