How long can I expect a computer to last?

bevo barry

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I am one of the few adults in the United States with a college education and a decent paying job who does not have a home computer, but that is about to change; for years I have had to spend so much time at the office, after hours and on weekends, that I saw no point in purchasing a home computer. Though officially against company rules, we were allowed to surf the Net using the office computer (of course, online gambling sites, porn sites, etc were blocked) and use e-mail for personal use. Up until recently we could listen to Internet radio.

I have now retired (though I am still doing one or two days per week as a per diem) and thus will be spending much more time at home. I will also have a lot more time now for various hobbies and things that one can do on a home computer that one cannot or should not do on a work/office computer. I have read through numerous threads here on HornFans and on OrangeBloods about PCs versus Macs, laptops versus desktops, and so forth. I am leaning toward a desktop (hardly ever do any traveling) and also toward a Mac, but I don't want this thread to turn into a PC versus Mac thread.

To help me finalize my decision in terms of how much RAM, etc to buy and how much to add in terms of bells & whistles, I'd like to ask the board members this basic question: How long can I expect a computer to last? I hear of folks buying a new laptop or desktop every three or four years; I presume that is to take advantage of new hardware or software. But let's say I am going to be using a computer primarily for Internet surfing, e-mails, managing photos, downloading music and so forth, and let's say that I take extraordinarily good care of it, not spilling anything on it, not dropping it, not letting a small fry anywhere near it, etc, would it last, say, 10 years? I would assume that a laptop might be more prone to breaking down than a desktop, but let's say I get one and never dropped it, never spill anything on it, etc, how long will it last? Obviously I know there is a wide standard deviation for things like this just like for automobiles. I bought a Ford (never again!) years ago based on some coworkers' testimonies about how they all had more than 200,000 miles on their vehicles. Well, mine crapped out about 50K. So I'm just looking for a general, ballpark answer as to the "average" life of a well-cared-for desktop or laptop.

Thanks!
 
Hey Barry,

I work in business sales at Dell and everyday I talk to my customers who are replacing their systems that they have had in some cases for four or more years. Occasionally I get customers who have had their systems 6 or 7 years and are just now updating. I think that is extreme and the norm is probably 3-4 years. The systems probably still work, but they maxed out the memory and the processors are much slower than newer ones.

So long story short, you can expect your system to last a minimum of 3 years, and probably get 4-5 good years out of it if you select the right build. Here are my recommendations to you for a desktop system. 4gb of ram, Intel Core 2 Duo Proc 2.9ghz or higher (a quad proc if it is in the budget), 160-320gb 7200 rpm hard drive, Windows 7 Professional, dvd/rw, and a 256gb graphics card. If you are thinking about Dell, the Optiplex machines are great and will do everything you want. The Vostro line is decent, but go for the Opti. If the budget is higher, the Precision line is stout.

Send me an IM if you are interested in a Dell. I will be glad to get you a good deal on one of our business models.
 
10 years is probably asking a bit much. 5 is a good number for a desktop and the type of work you will use it for, but it may last longer than that.

Some things to think about:
- Go 64-bit now. If you get a Mac then you'll have 64-bit with Snow Leopard, but if you end up going PC then make sure you get the 64-bit version (and not the 32-bit) of Windows 7 on any computer you buy.
- Get a minimum of 2GB RAM, 4GB preferred. If you ever want to go beyond 4GB, you'll need a 64-bit OS. If you are buying a Mac, get the minimum amount with the machine, buy the rest off Newegg and install it yourself to save some money.
- Consider the ability to upgrade the machine. A desktop will be easier to make incremental hardware upgrades to (e.g. new video card, new hard drives, etc.) than a laptop. A desktop tower will also be easier to upgrade than an iMac or similar form factor.

I can also vouch for the Optiplex line of Dells. My new Optiplex 960 at work is a great machine.
 
you retired Doc? Good for you.

When we met a few years back you told me that you were considering leaving that large company and hanging out your own shingle as "Doc Bevo Barry, GYN".

Is that still the eventual plan? Do you intend to stay where you are in SoCal?
 
iMac or 15" MacBook Pro. Either will last 5 years or more, depending on what you use it for. A laptop is nice to move around the house with. Sit outside, watch a ballgame and keep up with stats or other games, doesn't need a desk to live on, etc.
 
I second the iMac recommendation, or the Mac Mini if you're looking to save a few bucks. Just add a monitor, keyboard and a mouse to this little desktop unit and you're set.

I recommend going with a minimum of 2GB of RAM, best to bump it up to 4 if you can for best performance over the long term.

You will easily get five or more years of good service from your Mac, and I don't think 10 is out of the question. I have a Mac G5 I bought in 2003 and have since given it to my young sons, who use it every day without a snag. Three weeks ago I sold two old iMacs on Craigslist. I bought them new in 1998. They are dated and slow by today's standards, but they still worked perfectly.

I strongly recommend that you have an external hard drive that you use for backups in the event that your primary hard drive has an unrecoverable error. Components can fail, it can happen on any machine, and if it does you want to have your photos and other files safely backed up to another location. I use SuperDuper to do a full system backup regularly, and it's probably the best Mac backup/restore product out there.

As to the Mac vs PC decision, I will tell you as objectively as I can: I work in IT and have been using Macs at home since 1988 and PCs in the workplace since 1992. With many years of experience on both platforms, I highly recommend the Mac. You will experience far less frustration and downtime by going this route.

Good luck.
 
I've had a home computer for 12 years and I'm only on my second one. I see no reason why the one I have now shouldn't be fine for another several years. If you are going to be pushing the envelop of computer memory, speed and applications, I think a computer will become obsolete much faster. Me, I just email, browse the interwebs and save a few documents now and again. I think if you buy a good one to begin with and don't need to keep up with every latest new thing, it should last many years.
 
SuperDuper is an excellent product. However, OS X comes with Time Machine built in and I've found nothing wrong with it for painless backups. I still use the free version of SuperDuper if I'm cloning a hard drive for upgrade, but use Time Machine day in and day out for hourly incremental backups. You can't go wrong either way, but this approach is cheapest since the automatic backup version of SD is $30 I think.
 
Time Machine and SuperDuper address two important but very different needs.

Time Machine is for incremental file restoration, while SuperDuper is for a full system restoration. Having a bootable clone made with SuperDuper will give you a failover system in the event that your primary drive dies -- just boot from the clone and your entire system is there. Time Machine will not do this, nor is it intended to.

I use a 500GB drive partitioned into two volumes for my MacBook Pro backups. One volume is for the SuperDuper clone, and the other is for Time Machine. One external drive covers both needs perfectly.
 
Big Will: I am "formally" retired as a full time doc for Kaiser Permanente, but I am doing some "per diem" work, 1 or 2 days per week max...if I did not do that, the missus would not let me spend any $ on Horn tix. Not going to hang out my shingle for private practice...too tired and worn out from the flogging Kaiser gave me for 20 years to do that. Will be staying in SoCal for at least 5 more years. Barring an upset tonight, I'm looking forward to having a beer with you on the Rose Bowl grounds January 7!
 
I am reading this on my 8 year old Dell Inspiron. I'm thinking of getting a new desktop next year, since it is now starting to show signs of age (I just filled up the hard drive).
 
Given your stated uses for this computer, you can probably expect it to be useful for at least 7-8 years. The reason for getting a new computer, other than failure of the old one, is that performance of new programs on the old hardware is bad or impossible. I don't see the types of programs you want to use increasing their requirements that quickly.

You are buying at a good time too, with the release of new operating systems by Apple and Microsoft, you will get a computer that can handle them at the beginning of their cycles. (Read: longer time till computer hardware limits your software choices.)
 
It may last just about forever, but Bill Gates will make sure it is obsolete within about four years. So buy the cheapest setup that meets your needs, and expect it to be put out of business on the stroke of midnight one day in three or four years. This is because all your software won't work with your operating system once they come out with a new one, which is every couple of years or so "to fix the problems with the old operating system."
 
I think if you get a top end processor with enough RAM you should be good longer these days.

The only reason to upgrade anymore is bloated OS. Seriously have there been very many new killer apps that have come along in the last five years for the average user?
 

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