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Gary Blair - 2-14 in the Big 12 his first year at A&M - 11th place. 4-12 in conference play in year two - 9th place.
Sherri Coale - 1-15 in the Big 12 in year one - 12th place. 2-12 in year two - 9th place.
Kristy Curry - 6-10 in league play in year one at TT - 7th place. 4-12 in year two - 10th place.
And obviously no post-season appearances for any of these coaches/teams during the years referenced. It wasn't until year four that Coale received her first NCAA invite.
Curry has made just one NCAA tournament appearance in 6 years at the helm (currently in year seven), never finished higher than 6th in the league standings, and in that position only once; average finish over 6 years is 8th. This from a coach who made seven (of a possible seven) consecutive NCAA tournament appearances, never losing in the first round, and inc four Sweet 16's, two Elite 8's and a national runner-up finish in her highly successful stint at Purdue immediately prior to being hired by TT.
Success seldom happens overnight, and the Big 12 is the toughest conference in the nation. Gary Blair missed the NCAA tournament altogether in 9 of his first 20 years as a HC, and didn't make his first Elite 8 until year # 23. His first, and only FF - and NC - came in year 26 of his head coaching career. For those who (now) say we should have hired someone with a longer resume, hindsight is 20/20. Both Goestenkors and Curry came in to the Big 12 with among the best resumes in the country, and while Gail was more successful in the Big 12 than Curry, neither acheived (or has thus far, in Kristy's case) what many were hoping for when they were hired.
The fact is you never know. For those who were dissatisfied with Gail it was often stated that past success is not an indicator of the future, and many complained it was more imporant to hire a HC with in-state connections. Not that any of that was true, or made sense, but a lot of people seem to make whatever assertons suit their purpose at a given moment, and then conveniently forget they ever said it a short time later.
And of course some will probably attempt to say our current situation is different than some of those highlighted above (of course they're going to say that). The fact is every situation is different than any other. Coale came into OU with far less experience than Aston comes to Texas with; she had never even been an asst at the collegiate level, much less a HC. She had spent 6 years coaching HS ball before making the improbable leap to Div I. And after a rough start she eventually turned OU into a highly successful program. Others came in with much more experience, and have yet to turn the corner. Some took over the helm at established programs that weren't what they once were (Curry, GG) while others built their teams from the ground up (Coale). Whatever the case, more often than not it takes a coach time to turn a program around, or build it - or whatever the case may be - and to institute their own style of play.
Texas is currently 0-6 in league play. The majority of those are games we should, or could have won. We're making too many turnovers; 74 combined in our last three contests. It is clearly on the coaches to correct that situation; even 5-8 less TOs and we would have likely come out on top in several of those contests. Youth and inexperience, and constant lineup changes, explain some of that. But clearly there are many young teams out there that don't turn the ball over 23-26 times per outing. There simply aren't going to be any more acceptable excuses, other than coaching, if that doesn't improve from here on out.
As far as a lot of the other stuff that has been said, and posted, take it for what it's worth; nothing. And that doesn't apply to the many who have expressed frustration, or talked about TO's, or lack of a solid option at PG, or any other issue/problem experienced by the team thus far. What it does refer to are those who don't care one bit about this team, or who the coach is, or whether we lose every contest from here on out. In fact the ones I'm referring to would be happy if we did just that.
Fish got to swim, birds got to fly, and trolls got to troll. txtreefan is to Aston what Seattle was to GG what Little7 was to JC. Seattle doesn't think Karen is a great coach any more than he really thought Gail was a bad one. He could have cared less whether she made $1 or one mlliion, or made a deep post-season run every season she was here. treefan uses a grasp of basketball to misrepresent things that happened in games, and to attack the coach, instead of discussing what really went wrong - and there was certainly a lot that did - in our recent losses. Others take situations that occur in all programs, inc player departures and injury related retirements, and imply all kinds of things when they have no knowledge whatsoever or what actually transpired. So much easier than taking things at face value, and the goal is obvious; just throw sh#%t at the wall and see what sticks.
The team is struggling and ultimately it is the coaches job to right the ship, and get us heading in a better direction. Whether or not Karen is able to do that remains to be seen, but she is going to get her shot. Just as all of those highlighted above, and many more too numerous to count, also got their chance to do the same. And however this season ends it won't be any worse for her, or this program, that it has been for many others in their first year at the helm. The Big 12 is tough; ten different teams have won conference reg season or tournament championships during its existence, and 7 have won multiple titles. Six have won three or more. Four programs have made a combined eight FF's, inc four championship games appearances and three national titles. Last year seven squads made the NCAA field, inc two with 7-9 league records (one of whom made it to the Sweet 16). And of course Baylor won it all. Aston and her young team are getting a trial-by-fire, and will hopefully turn a corner sooner rather than later. But the more you lose, the harder it becomes to right the ship, as most of her Big 12 counterparts found out the hard way in their first seasons with their respective programs. At this point I just want to see this team show improvement on a number of fronts, inc cleaning up the TOs, and finally get in the "W" column. What we don't need to do is discuss the past, as in the hiring process, or have trolls speculating about situations they clearly know nothing about.
Sherri Coale - 1-15 in the Big 12 in year one - 12th place. 2-12 in year two - 9th place.
Kristy Curry - 6-10 in league play in year one at TT - 7th place. 4-12 in year two - 10th place.
And obviously no post-season appearances for any of these coaches/teams during the years referenced. It wasn't until year four that Coale received her first NCAA invite.
Curry has made just one NCAA tournament appearance in 6 years at the helm (currently in year seven), never finished higher than 6th in the league standings, and in that position only once; average finish over 6 years is 8th. This from a coach who made seven (of a possible seven) consecutive NCAA tournament appearances, never losing in the first round, and inc four Sweet 16's, two Elite 8's and a national runner-up finish in her highly successful stint at Purdue immediately prior to being hired by TT.
Success seldom happens overnight, and the Big 12 is the toughest conference in the nation. Gary Blair missed the NCAA tournament altogether in 9 of his first 20 years as a HC, and didn't make his first Elite 8 until year # 23. His first, and only FF - and NC - came in year 26 of his head coaching career. For those who (now) say we should have hired someone with a longer resume, hindsight is 20/20. Both Goestenkors and Curry came in to the Big 12 with among the best resumes in the country, and while Gail was more successful in the Big 12 than Curry, neither acheived (or has thus far, in Kristy's case) what many were hoping for when they were hired.
The fact is you never know. For those who were dissatisfied with Gail it was often stated that past success is not an indicator of the future, and many complained it was more imporant to hire a HC with in-state connections. Not that any of that was true, or made sense, but a lot of people seem to make whatever assertons suit their purpose at a given moment, and then conveniently forget they ever said it a short time later.
And of course some will probably attempt to say our current situation is different than some of those highlighted above (of course they're going to say that). The fact is every situation is different than any other. Coale came into OU with far less experience than Aston comes to Texas with; she had never even been an asst at the collegiate level, much less a HC. She had spent 6 years coaching HS ball before making the improbable leap to Div I. And after a rough start she eventually turned OU into a highly successful program. Others came in with much more experience, and have yet to turn the corner. Some took over the helm at established programs that weren't what they once were (Curry, GG) while others built their teams from the ground up (Coale). Whatever the case, more often than not it takes a coach time to turn a program around, or build it - or whatever the case may be - and to institute their own style of play.
Texas is currently 0-6 in league play. The majority of those are games we should, or could have won. We're making too many turnovers; 74 combined in our last three contests. It is clearly on the coaches to correct that situation; even 5-8 less TOs and we would have likely come out on top in several of those contests. Youth and inexperience, and constant lineup changes, explain some of that. But clearly there are many young teams out there that don't turn the ball over 23-26 times per outing. There simply aren't going to be any more acceptable excuses, other than coaching, if that doesn't improve from here on out.
As far as a lot of the other stuff that has been said, and posted, take it for what it's worth; nothing. And that doesn't apply to the many who have expressed frustration, or talked about TO's, or lack of a solid option at PG, or any other issue/problem experienced by the team thus far. What it does refer to are those who don't care one bit about this team, or who the coach is, or whether we lose every contest from here on out. In fact the ones I'm referring to would be happy if we did just that.
Fish got to swim, birds got to fly, and trolls got to troll. txtreefan is to Aston what Seattle was to GG what Little7 was to JC. Seattle doesn't think Karen is a great coach any more than he really thought Gail was a bad one. He could have cared less whether she made $1 or one mlliion, or made a deep post-season run every season she was here. treefan uses a grasp of basketball to misrepresent things that happened in games, and to attack the coach, instead of discussing what really went wrong - and there was certainly a lot that did - in our recent losses. Others take situations that occur in all programs, inc player departures and injury related retirements, and imply all kinds of things when they have no knowledge whatsoever or what actually transpired. So much easier than taking things at face value, and the goal is obvious; just throw sh#%t at the wall and see what sticks.
The team is struggling and ultimately it is the coaches job to right the ship, and get us heading in a better direction. Whether or not Karen is able to do that remains to be seen, but she is going to get her shot. Just as all of those highlighted above, and many more too numerous to count, also got their chance to do the same. And however this season ends it won't be any worse for her, or this program, that it has been for many others in their first year at the helm. The Big 12 is tough; ten different teams have won conference reg season or tournament championships during its existence, and 7 have won multiple titles. Six have won three or more. Four programs have made a combined eight FF's, inc four championship games appearances and three national titles. Last year seven squads made the NCAA field, inc two with 7-9 league records (one of whom made it to the Sweet 16). And of course Baylor won it all. Aston and her young team are getting a trial-by-fire, and will hopefully turn a corner sooner rather than later. But the more you lose, the harder it becomes to right the ship, as most of her Big 12 counterparts found out the hard way in their first seasons with their respective programs. At this point I just want to see this team show improvement on a number of fronts, inc cleaning up the TOs, and finally get in the "W" column. What we don't need to do is discuss the past, as in the hiring process, or have trolls speculating about situations they clearly know nothing about.
