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[RainH2burntO]

I'm saying that people who frame crime as a choice instead of worrying about the conditions that led to that "choice" are missing part of the picture. The "choice" would be different under different circumstances, not because of skin color.
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Thanks for the clarification.
I understand there are circumstances or conditions. I disagree (with whoever thinks) that it is something government or white people at large are responsible for or can effectively remedy. If any of us want better for our generations it is up to us to see to it, and no other mindset has proven effective throughout the history of humanity in any sphere of life. I care about my fellow black man, but the one who takes responsibility for and acknowledges control of their present and future is the one who may be helped in this plight. All others will remain slaves to the consequences/outcomes of a mentality that will serve as the lock to ensure it.
If all black people (or white, or Hispanic) people had the same mentality as these then there would be virtually no "successful" or emotionally healthy people.
I read your response to Run on the "overcoming circumstances" topic and know your stance...also agree that this isnt the primary issue in this last instance of unrest. I do understand your perspective. I just see it differently...or at least from a different angle.

 

[dukesteer]

Do you not miss GBH or OAN? An uninformed ignorant assertion does not make it a fact. Please, quit projecting your inadequate manhood failings upon others. They are what we call "Personal problems" and should be kept in that domain. Be a man, not a whiner.

Burnt, you’re falling into the typical Dem/Liberal mindset: Blame the messenger.

“inadequate manhood?” This is your informed response, to throw stones? If you can make an informed counter argument, go right ahead. But if you cannot, this attack tactic exposes you as lacking the intellectual integrity to have a mature discussion.

 

[theiioftx]

Do you not miss GBH or OAN? An uninformed ignorant assertion does not make it a fact. Please, quit projecting your inadequate manhood failings upon others. They are what we call "Personal problems" and should be kept in that domain. Be a man, not a whiner.

Be a sponsor, not a wiener.

 

[Pomspoms]

Or just shoot him multiple times in the back because he is unarmed but the wrong skin color? Guys like you are fools if you think you are protected by white skin. Go ask the Jews and Gypsies and the Slavs in Europe during WWII. None of them were black nor especially had colored skin. The short sighted stupidity is just mind numbing.

Herman has always acknowledged his responsibilities to his athletes and staff beyond merely coaching a sport on the field. He acknowledges that attending UT involves developing academically, socially and as a citizen. If he thinks a day off from practice during a world wide pandemic with left over racism in America supported by those who object, then so be it. You have just identified yourselves as part of the problem because your designated field hands (athletes) are interfering with your privileged rights to their performing for your entertainment. How dare they desire to grow to be better men and citizens than you? How dare they desire to improve themselves for a better life?

Those offended can go plant a burning cross in your front yard. Might as well as you cannot hide your disdain for citizens who are not part of your special social group. You constantly expose yourselves and are not even aware of it. The world will be a much better place when you are gone and this younger, more tolerant and truly American generation replaces you. You should be ashamed for betraying the sacrifices made by America's Greatest Generation. Freedom and human dignity is for what they fought. Not the bigotry, racism and prejudice you engender which makes our nation divided and thus weaker. Either you are an American citizen loyal to all other citizens in promoting and protecting everyone's freedom and rights, or you are a Traitor.[/QUOTE
That reaction was a surprise. It was wrong on many levels. Says a lot about you. Hey, were all different and you're entitled to your erroneous opinion.
I forgive you.
BTW, I'm not a racist. Two of my closest friends in childhood and college were black. I've had a black girlfriend and Mexican girlfriends. I could go on and on but I don't feel like it.
I enjoy seeing a man of any race pull themselves up by the bootstraps to be successful. I've had to do that.
I believe in law and order and if I resist arrest (I'm 60 and never been arrested) I expect to be treated roughly. If I make a suspicious move like I am pulling out a gun then I expect to be shot also.
But I guess your emotions got the best of you.

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

I'm saying that people who frame crime as a choice instead of worrying about the conditions that led to that "choice" are missing part of the picture. The "choice" would be different under different circumstances, not because of skin color.

It's all about choice. Most of the choices are made because of what they are taught to believe since birth from parents, relatives, friends, the hood, the liberal politicians who say they have no chance to make it on their own without help, etc. In my opinion basically being brainwashed from birth.

I hired an African American lady a few weeks ago. The interview packet asks, "Describe a decision that was difficult for you to make." Her answer was to get her education and get a higher paying job so she could get out of section 3 housing. She said literally every single relative and friend told her she was making a mistake because she's giving up the free ride. She made the very difficult decision to go against literally everything she knows and it made her a very proud person.

That mindset is very common to underachieve so the freebies keep coming. Not to mention the gang lifestyle that is also taught and pressured to join from birth.

The choices are hard to make more from peer and community pressures than real opportunity.

 

[WillUSAF]

It's all about choice. Most of the choices are made because of what they are taught to believe since birth from parents, relatives, friends, the hood, the liberal politicians who say they have no chance to make it on their own without help, etc. In my opinion basically being brainwashed from birth.

I hired an African American lady a few weeks ago. The interview packet asks, "Describe a decision that was difficult for you to make." Her answer was to get her education and get a higher paying job so she could get out of section 3 housing. She said literally every single relative and friend told her she was making a mistake because she's giving up the free ride. She made the very difficult decision to go against literally everything she knows and it made her a very proud person.

That mindset is very common to underachieve so the freebies keep coming. Not to mention the gang lifestyle that is also taught and pressured to join from birth.

The choices are hard to make more from peer and community pressures than real opportunity.

I hope you hired her for her courage alone.

 

[2003TexasGrad]

You sound like Biden

Come on man! I'll arm wrestle you right now!

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

I hope you hired her for her courage alone.

I actually hired her because she was perfect for the position. The courage was a bonus and I've been using it as a positive example as often as I can. She had so much enthusiasm in what she was saying it was infectious.

 

[erbutch]

Come on man! I'll arm wrestle you right now!

That was not meant as a compliment but I did like the way MD took it. Maybe a little 60ish

 

[moondog_LFZ]

That was not meant as a compliment but I did like the way MD took it. Maybe a little 60ish

I am a product of that era.
Peace, man.
Ban the bomb.
And the bra.

 

[erbutch]

I am a product of that era.
Peace, man.
Ban the bomb.
And the bra.

Does that mean you were produced in that era???

 

[moondog_LFZ]

Does that mean you were produced in that era???

I wish.
I'd be a few years younger.
Let's say "came of age".

 

[moondog_LFZ]

 

[SabreHorn]

How about riding along with patrolmen on Friday & Saturday nights?

 

[mchammer]

How about riding along with patrolmen on Friday & Saturday nights?

Shhh! They are 33% there. Let them think it’s their idea.

 

[moondog_LFZ]

How about riding along with patrolmen on Friday & Saturday nights?

Maybe the officers will offer up some ride alongs during discussions.

 

[erbutch]

Oh Boy,I am sure I would have listened to a 19 year old trying to tell me how to perform my duties on the street. Maybe he should put his life on the line on a daily basis. I sure would not want him to decide my fate on a use of force basis.It is easy to judge officers when you are not the one making split second decisions for your life and others. That kid makes me sick to my stomach. He needs to grow up and realize he is not that important.

 

[SabreHorn]

Let them think it’s their idea.

Have they had an idea of their own yet?

 

[HalRex]

So, as part of these thought sessions, are the student athletes discussing how not to resist arrest or be combative with authorities to avoid negative repercussions? Or possibly the value of waiting for all the evidence to be revealed in an effort to learn the truth of the situation? Or, even to think for themselves and try to examine incidents as they are without being influenced by those with a set agenda?

 

[wadster]

Well, regrettably, inevitably, a cop is going to shoot a black man due to resisting arrest or self preservation in the future. I don't know how often it will happen, but suppose it happens once every month or six weeks. Then I suppose there will be stoppage again. Ho hum.
Of course cops will be killing whites, mexicans and Asians also. But that doesn't matter. Law breakers die when resisting arrest. That's the normal way of things. That's what I expect to happen to me in that situation.
The right solution is not to commit felonies and then resist arrest, but what do I know?
The wrong solution is to defund the police.
Life has to go on. Whites and minorities have to co-exist. Or maybe we can split up the USA. A certain amount of states in proportion to number for each race. Since we can't get along, why not. Just a wholesale change. Then blacks can police blacks, whites whites etc. we can have our on sports leagues. Of course somebody will want something of the other and then there will be war.
But, speaking of war, China will see an opportunity of a divided USA and bam.

What makes you think this white man wants to live with a bunch of white racists. That's the divide, not black vs white. How about we put all the racists in their own state.

 

[Pomspoms]

What makes you think this white man wants to live with a bunch of white racists. That's the divide, not black vs white. How about we put all the racists in their own state.

You would have to have at least 49 states for that cause there are a lot racists in all the races.

 

[HTownBevo]

Pants Up
Don’t loot

pretty simple

 

[theiioftx]

So, as part of these thought sessions, are the student athletes discussing how not to resist arrest or be combative with authorities to avoid negative repercussions? Or possibly the value of waiting for all the evidence to be revealed in an effort to learn the truth of the situation? Or, even to think for themselves and try to examine incidents as they are without being influenced by those with a set agenda?

Amen and amen. / end thread.

 

[Dionysus]

quit projecting your inadequate manhood failings upon others [...] Be a man, not a whiner

Stop with the personal attacks and insults or post somewhere else

 

[moondog_LFZ]

So, as part of these thought sessions, are the student athletes discussing how not to resist arrest or be combative with authorities to avoid negative repercussions? Or possibly the value of waiting for all the evidence to be revealed in an effort to learn the truth of the situation? Or, even to think for themselves and try to examine incidents as they are without being influenced by those with a set agenda?

You know what?
If they actually interact with the police as they say then some of this may come up.
Just because these guys are young doesn't mean they are stupid and can't think for themselves.
You ***** when they protest without action.
Well, here is some action.
I like it.
They are going out into the community and discussing and expressing themselves.
They will learn, as well, as they open themselves up to law enforcement and interact with them.
They are creating opportunities for all to learn.
I protested a war that was killing 10,000 young Americans a year for absolutely no reason when I was 17-18 years old.
You will never convince me to this day that I wasn't aware of what was going on and knew what I was talking about.
And I've got a few stories about police brutality, etc. from those days.

 

[I_Dont_Exist]

Can someone remind me again.who assassinated Malcom X?

 

[HalRex]

You know what?
If they actually interact with the police as they say then some of this may come up.
Just because these guys are young doesn't mean they are stupid and can't think for themselves.
You ***** when they protest without action.
Well, here is some action.
I like it.
They are going out into the community and discussing and expressing themselves.
They will learn, as well, as they open themselves up to law enforcement and interact with them.
They are creating opportunities for all to learn.
I protested a war that was killing 10,000 young Americans a year for absolutely no reason when I was 17-18 years old.
You will never convince me to this day that I wasn't aware of what was going on and knew what I was talking about.
And I've got a few stories about police brutality, etc. from those days.

Moon, I’m just hoping there is some semblance of balance in the discussion. You know, some of both sides of the issue. As an example maybe someone points out that the overwhelming majority of police interactions with people of color don’t end in a bad way. Or possibly point out the incredible amount of good that police officers do in all communities. I certainly don’t think student athletes are stupid, that’s ridiculous. I guess that I personally have always found that trying to find common ground with people that I don’t agree with invariably produces better results for all parties. This as opposed to being angry, insulting or punishing folks with alternative views. Maybe some balance is part of the discussions, I just haven’t heard about it if there is.

 

[moondog_LFZ]

Moon, I’m just hoping there is some semblance of balance in the discussion. You know, some of both sides of the issue. As an example maybe someone points out that the overwhelming majority of police interactions with people of color don’t end in a bad way. Or possibly point out the incredible amount of good that police officers do in all communities. I certainly don’t think student athletes are stupid, that’s ridiculous. I guess that I personally have always found that trying to find common ground with people that I don’t agree with invariably produces better results for all parties. This as opposed to being angry, insulting or punishing folks with alternative views. Maybe some balance is part of the discussions, I just haven’t heard about it if there is.

Well,I can't believe the officers won't express themselves.
Searching out discussion is a good thing.

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

You know what?
If they actually interact with the police as they say then some of this may come up.
Just because these guys are young doesn't mean they are stupid and can't think for themselves.
You ***** when they protest without action.
Well, here is some action.
I like it.
They are going out into the community and discussing and expressing themselves.
They will learn, as well, as they open themselves up to law enforcement and interact with them.
They are creating opportunities for all to learn.
I protested a war that was killing 10,000 young Americans a year for absolutely no reason when I was 17-18 years old.
You will never convince me to this day that I wasn't aware of what was going on and knew what I was talking about.
And I've got a few stories about police brutality, etc. from those days.

I'm ok with them doing this. But what I would like to know is what THEY are actually going to do about it besides make a list of demands or sit out practices or games. I promise you sitting out practices and games does nothing for their cause except maybe make them feel better that they did something to punish us rich and racist white folk. People will just stop watching and their future opportunity vanishes.

How about they go out in the community and build relationships. Seek to understand others and tell their stories so other people might better understand them. I also think someone credible to them needs to explain that Antifa and BLM really don't care about them, they are both working towards bringing about socialism in a very violent and manipulative way.

 

[EDT]

Can someone remind me again.who assassinated Malcom X?

IDE, Here you go.
Who Really Killed Malcolm X?