Health Care Reform/Medicare Medicaid

Bronco

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Have some new thought s on this. It really is pretty darn easy to fix with some very simple policy changes.

For starters, a single payor govt system sounds good on paper but will never work. For one thing, this is America and we thrive on private enterprise. There is no reason for the govt to handle things that the private sector does better and much more efficiently. The biggest reason, though, is simply because the govt can't handle the task. By BO's own admission the Medicare & Medicaid (M&M) have something like $300 B in waste/fraud/abuse. It is where he has told America he will find the biggest savings in our economic policy reform. For the life of me, I have no idea why no one, candidate or media, jumps all over this. That is like 30% of the entire cost of the program!! There is constant debate about what the govt can do but the proof is in the numbers.

The whole system can be refined by:

1) Mandatory Insurance Coverage- Not sure why the repubs are so against this, but it is the only way the system works. Everyone has insurance so every new born is automatically covered. The policy is owned by the individual or family just like auto/home/life insurance. Businesses can give employees money for insurance costs as a perk and it would still be a deductible expense to the business and a tax preferred benefit to the person.

The advantages to this are many:
a) No one is uncovered so Medicaid is eliminated completely.
b) No medical underwriting or pre-existing exclusions or gaps
c) Complete portability
d) Insurance companies have put it in writing they will lower premiums across the board by 10%
e) Eliminates state dollars allocated to dependent coverage like CHIPS
f) Controls costs eliminating fraud and abuse
g) Employ thousands of Americans
h) Many many more

How to pay for it:

1) Set a threshold based on income similar to how Medicaid works now. The govt will make the premium payments directly to the insurers for this group. Hugely important note here- for this to be cost effective a high deductible basic coverage plan has to be used. This will involve HMOs, and generic drug benefits, small doctors vist copays to curb frivilous trips to doc, no elective type surgery. just very good but basic care that all Americans should be entitled to. The reason a high deductible plan must be used is that the premiums for this are drastically lower. Like 75% less than low or no deductible plans. The govt will set aside reserves to cover these deductibles for this group for the small percentage that end up needing them due to expensive procedures. The cost to the govt for this type of set up will be a fraction of the cost currently being spent through Medicaid.

2) Everyone above the threshold buys their own. I would suggest a massive marketing campain on the different options for coverage that exist, especially high deductible plans.

3) Extend the medicare kick in date to age 70 for anyone currently 40 or younger. This cuts medicare costs in the long run by a ton.

4) The hardest part- setting reasonable coverage basics for Medicare. There are all kinds of supplemental policies that can enhance the basic care of Medicare and anyone that wants to use them should be able to. Again, we owe a basic level of care and quality of life to our citizens. However, that does not entitle anyone on medicare to an $18,000 electric wheel chair. It just can't. We should set age limits for treatments of cancer/liver/heart disease etc. It sucks, but has to be done. Maybe 85 or so. EOL discussions have to be had buy everyone at age 70 and updated every 3 years. Some 80% of medical costs are spent in the final months of life. We are spending massive amounts of money to make family members feel good but not really offering any true benefit to the patient. No one cares about the cost because the govt is paying. It is a horrible set up.

As to pricing, like I said, the insurers have already said that rates would be cut 10%. The companies are already highly regulated and percentages should be set for how much of every premium dollar must be spent on actual medical costs. I'd suggest 65% or so.

There must be published set rates for everyone. Everyone knows thier worst case scenario from a premium standpoint. you get cancer or have a horrible injury or whatever, you are going to pay the max but it is capped. Insurers can then offer discounts from the set rates based on behavior. I actually think this could have a huge positive affect on overall health and obesity. If I am a dad paying say $800/month for insurance and they tell me that if my wife and kids lose 20 pounds each and I quit smoking that I can save $300/month, I'm buying my kids celery and water!!!. Obviously that is extreme, but money is a very powerful motivator to humans. If this even has a positive effect on 30% of the population, it will be huge for us. Not only in real immediate savings to the family but also in the long term health costs of the country as a whole. Because Insurers have to spend x amount of every dollar on claims then if the overall health of the country improves, the base rates for coverage will have to come down accordingly.

Another nice benefit to this is that because rates are pretty much set, the biggest way that insurers can compete for our business is by offering discounts and offering better service. Might include better doctor coverage. They have to differentiate themselves based on good things for the insured (what a concept).

It is hugely important to keep the insurers as for profit operations. This is the only way that costs can be truly controlled and service an actual benefit.

Lastly, some type of tort refom must exist. This is another tough one. I am not sure what the best approach is here. If any of you spent a week in the work comp courts you would understand the issues better. There must be a way to give legitimate cases their day in court while using some type of system, outside of the courts, to determine if a case is meaningful. I"d suggest panels. The panels would have to made up of a non-partial mix. Maybe 7 person panels made up of 2 civilians, 2 medical professionals, a PI attorney, a Insurance rep and a judge. I'd have the panel members (like the docs and attorney) by specialty. All paid for by the Insurance companies. Both sides present their case and the panel only has a say in whether or not the case goes forward. Yes means the case proceeds. No means its over.

A plan like this would save us hundreds of billions a year in health care costs and provide all of the benefits that a country like America should provide.
 
Welcome to the first day of school, Bronc.

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Perhaps there will be some movement in Bronco's direction should the Republicans repeal Obamacare and suddenly realize that coverage for the preexisting conditions the public has grown to love won't be covered without some type of individual mandate.
 
Blah blah blah against tort reform. Not worth the time to respond. I hope your five hundred word diatribe from the trial lawyers association makes you feel warm and fuzzy but you're not changing anyone's mind on this board.

You dont have a clue about the intangibles that affect health care which includes wading through med mal. Why dont you show us how med mal reduces cost, saves lives and improves care? I'm sure we can show you how it lines the pockets of civil trial lawyers. Oh wait, you are doing it for the poor victims. That's why you only take 40% plus expenses.
 
I have to say that I'm becoming increasingly convinced that "tort reform" is more about evading legitimate liability than the ******** bogeyman "frivilous lawsuits." I spent a half hour the other day in a random meeting with a woman whose life was ruined when a vehicle owned by a rich and profitable corporation rammed the back of her car when she was stopped at a light. Her career as a nurse was over, as was her ability to drive a car and walk normally. Her spine has been fused up so that she can function a little and with a hell of a lot of hydrocodone she makes it through the day. While her immediate medical bills cost the perps a lot of money, she's broke and living in public housing. And still when they go to court the damned lawyers for the other side are investigating every aspect of her life to somehow call in question her character and earning ability. They note, to their surprise, she seems angry and bitter sometimes during endless discovery that has carried on for years as the company contests any liability beyond short term medical bills after the accident. It seems like someone with decency could acknowledge the obvious that a big fast moving truck driven by thier texting driver was not her fault and just pay her a settlement that allows her a dignified life of not having to choose between the electric bill and her pain medication. She's living on Social Security Disability. And the damned corporation lawyers and lobbyist keep whining about the need for "tort reform." The want to live in a world where greedy corporate ******** can hurt people and never so much as have to say "scuse me."
 
I'm confused. Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that you are talking about liability insurance rather than medical malpractice. Moreover, in the example that you gave, medical tort reform would lower the cost to the patient. Finally, I don't think anyone would expect lawyers to say you are right, we are wrong, write a figure on a piece of paper and we will pay it. It is your legal system at work. A relative of mine was shot in a hunting accident that effected his ability to be a surgeon. The insurance carrier gambled that my relative would not sue his friend. Rightly or wrongly, this is what lawyers do.
 
The judicial system doesn't work for high tech medicine. Juries decide based on their personal opinion of the doctor and the degree of disfigurement. Juries don't decide on the merits of the case. Until merit based case decisions become the norm, we are dealing with least worse scenarios. Physicians currently spend less time seeing patients and more time doing paper work and running tests to cover their *** and we are seeing no improvement in outcomes as a result. If the judicial system worked, it would either lead to better outcomes or punishment of the guilty physicians. Neither are currently happening. Instead we are seeing rising costs and less attention to the patient. Attorneys should seek to improve the system and getting it to work for the people.
 
Deez- I generally like and agree with your posts. You seem pretty level headed and pretty logical.

There is a lot to respond to in your post and I will do my best. But, Obama himself, in his state of the union, declared that some form of tort reform was necessary to improve costs in the system (the fact that his healthcare legislation didnt actually have any reform is lost on everyone-another good lie for BO- but this is not about BO).

A definition of tort reform is needed to have a reasonable debate on this issue. You ask what work comp has to do with this? How can you ask that? Are costs associated with work comp injuries not included in our total healthcare costs? Of course they are. I am talking about a system for medical care in its totality.

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Deez- I suppose we can just agree to disagree on this one point. I think there does need to be some type of tort reform. Apparently my plan is non workable to you. Thats cool. There has to be something in the middle.

There was a recent NEJM report about this very thing. They looked a few malpractice carriers and their experience. I couldn't fing a great link, but did find this one:The Link

From the link "The Ohio Department of Insurance similarly found in a report released in November 2006 that almost 80 percent of malpractice cases closed in Ohio during 2005 resulted in no indemnity being paid, but each case incurred an average of over $24,000 to defend."

That is what I was driving at earlier. $24K per claim (not suit, per claim) for no findings of wrongdoing. Of course many of those needed to be investigated. But surely you would agree that not all of them did. That is a big cost to the system. I think there needs to be some way to reduce the number. Any time 80% of claims have no merit, there is a problem with over filing.

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Deez,

I looked at your link from NEJM and it is not what you think it is or what I am talking about. This study, ironically, is also from Harvard and published by the NEJM. This is direct from the report

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Deez,

Glad you are doing well. I haven't had the chance to respond. Things have gone on a number of different tangents here so I'll try to bring it back to my original points.

I think our medical costs, system wide, our out of control and I think all areas can use some reform. I think tort reform is one of them.

I started with a figure of around 80% for claims that are closed with no finding of error and no indemnity payments. You clearly think that figure is incorrect. Directly from the Ohio study that you linked it says this:
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