Health Care Insurance Executive Assassinated--Luigi Arrested

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Surveillance photos of the assassin:

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Liberals are all over the internet celebrating this assassination. I can't figure out how anyone could feel good associating themselves at all with that group.
 
As a general principle, based on decades of experience, I despise most insurance companies (USAA ain't bad, and I hear Farm Bureau is ok...).

The way to stick it to these a$$hole insurance companies when they mess up (and boy do they ever) is in the courts, not by killing their officers. A persuasive argument could be made that you are highly unlikely to receive any justice from the court system against a mega-billion $ insurer. But that's really an argument for legal reform--not for assassinating people.
 
Many are saying this was a professional hit man. The way he pulled it off and got away. His patience in staking the target out. Arriving in NYC weeks before hand, etc.
 
“The people in our industry are mission-driven professionals working to make coverage and care as affordable as possible and to help people navigate the complex medical system,” Michael Tuffin, the president and CEO of powerful health insurance lobby AHIP, wrote on LinkedIn on Thursday.
 
Chop said:
As a general principle, based on decades of experience, I despise most insurance companies (USAA ain't bad, and I hear Farm Bureau is ok...).
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USAA and Farm Bureau are OK. However, since the Texas Surpeme Court handed down Brainard v. Trinity Universal Ins., USAA has been one of the worst at the handling of first party auto injury claims (UM/UIM and PIP). The court gave them persmission to treat their insureds like sh1t, and they dutifully did so. They are still my insurer (even from overseas), but if I or a family member get injured and need to make a UM/UIM claim, I'll have a lawsuit on file before the vehicles are out of the road, because I'll know what's coming.

Chop said:
The way to stick it to these a$$hole insurance companies when they mess up (and boy do they ever) is in the courts, not by killing their officers.
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This is of course true, but it's also true that the courthouse doors are often closed in people's faces or made much more difficult and expensive to use. In my view, that still doesn't make murder any less wrong. However, as remedies that are supposed to be secured by the federal and state constitutions are denied to people, some will resort to violence, even if it's wrong. It's gonna happen more.

Chop said:
A persuasive argument could be made that you are highly unlikely to receive any justice from the court system against a mega-billion $ insurer. But that's really an argument for legal reform--not for assassinating people.
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Yeah, what we consistently call "legal reform" always enures to the benefit of the insurers, not individuals, and it consistently leans on the side of closing, not opening, courthouse doors. That was true whether we were talking about medical liability, workers compensation, products liability (especially against pharmaceutical companies), etc. If you want to people to to have faith in the court system, keep it open and accessible to normal people.
 
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However, as remedies that are supposed to be secured by the federal and state constitutions are denied to people, some will resort to violence, even if it's wrong. It's gonna happen more.
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This is correct. If you don't want vigilantism, etc., the legal system must do its job.
 
Mr. Deez said:
Yeah, what we consistently call "legal reform" always enures to the benefit of the insurers, not individuals, and it consistently leans on the side of closing, not opening, courthouse doors. That was true whether we were talking about medical liability, workers compensation, products liability (especially against pharmaceutical companies), etc. If you want to people to to have faith in the court system, keep it open and accessible to normal people.
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1. Citizens United should be overturned--by Amendment if necessary. Plenty of slimy, swamp-dwelling, corporate toady a$$ kissers will come out of the woodwork to defend it though--even on this website; you watch...

2. No election of judges. Kind of goes hand in hand with #1 above.

Where big $$$ interests can get judges elected, the playing field is tilted.
 
Chop said:
Many are saying this was a professional hit man. The way he pulled it off and got away. His patience in staking the target out. Arriving in NYC weeks before hand, etc.
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I dunno, a professional isn't going to leave so many clues, including his face on camera. At least they never did on Hawaii 5-0.

It's only a matter of time until McGarrett gets him.
 
Chop said:
1. Citizens United should be overturned--by Amendment if necessary. Plenty of slimy, swamp-dwelling, corporate toady a$$ kissers will come out of the woodwork to defend it though--even on this website; you watch...
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I'll defend it. I'm for preserving individual rights to sue, but I'm not for restricting anyone's freedom of speech, even the owners of businesses and even if they're advocating for nefarious things.

In fact, I'm pretty much opposed to all forms of campaign reform beyond disclosure requirements. The reason why is that it is counterproductive as well as freedom-suppressing. The money and influence-buying doesn't go away. It just gets hidden better with shell institutions. I'd much rather have the billionaires writing out checks directly to the candidates than to have them write out checks to a bunch of PACs with deceptive names that hand the money out to politicians.

Chop said:
2. No election of judges. Kind of goes hand in hand with #1 above.

Where big $$$ interests can get judges elected, the playing field is tilted.
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If it was up to me, I'd have appointed judges, but I'd give the public power to recall them with a supermajority (maybe 60 percent) of the vote. That insulates judges to a point but doesn't give them a life appointment that the public can't do anything about.
 
Garmel said:
True story. Two Canadians that I know bragged about their healthcare system until they started having health issues.

Guess where they are going to get their healthcare now.
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I see that here in the UK too. Nobody I know who actually needs significant care likes the NHS. For example, my nextdoor neighbor needed hip replacement surgery, and he forked out £12,000 (about $16,000) of his own money to have it done privately. I asked him why he went private. He said the NHS doctors acknowledge that he needs it but tell him it's not a high priority for the system. They say the wait would be 5 - 10 years. Of course, he said, "they have to make sure all the migrants get everything they need before they take care of the people like me who have been paying for it for 40 years." I know several others who say similar things.
 
^And the Democrats keep insisting on the benefits of single-payer (Government) medical insurance - maybe the U.S. should look carefully at the experience of other countries who have Government health care.
 
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Murdered Insurance CEO Had Deployed an AI to Automatically Deny Benefits for Sick People

Just over a year before United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson was murdered in cold blood in Midtown Manhattan, a lawsuit filed against his firm revealed just how draconian its claims-denying had become. Last November, the estates of two former UHC patients filed suit in Minnesota alleging that...
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Murdered Insurance CEO Had Deployed an AI to Automatically Deny Benefits for Sick People​


"Just over a year before United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson was murdered this week in Midtown Manhattan, a lawsuit filed against the insurance giant he helmed revealed just how draconian its claims-denying process had become.

Last November, the estates of two former UHC patients filed suit in Minnesota alleging that the insurer used an AI algorithm to deny and override claims to elderly patients that had been approved by their doctors.

The algorithm in question, known as nH Predict, allegedly had a 90 percent error rate — and according to the families of the two deceased men who filed the suit, UHC knew it."
 
The response is not surprising. Only a handful of people can identify with the CEO. Nearly everyone can identify with the gunman, who either had a denied claim or a loved one with a denied claim.
 
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