HDTV DVI Direc TV question

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Hornin NYC

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Disclaimer: Any assumptions made in this post could be wrong, please feel free to correct me.

My new HDTV has a DVI input, the guy says use it.

I have Direc TV HDTV.

I need to get a new Home Theater receiver because mine doesn't have component video (as in it can't do any HDTV).

I'm looking for receivers with DVI and I don't seem to see any.

Previously I had Time Warner digital Cable, so I had the cable come in the cable box then go down to my receiver via S video and then it went to my old TV via the monitor out on my receiver.

Ok, now for HDTV it seems that the HDTV will go into the DVI on my TV and regular TV will go into the component video on my TV.

Well where does the DVI come from? Does my Direc TV box have a DVI out that goes directly to the TV and bypasses the receiver (yet to be bought) with the sound going to the receiver?

It seems that unlike now, when I watch HDTV I will be switching to DVI on the TV rather than on the receiver (currently i just switch the receiver to whatever output I want, VCR, DVD and TV all go into the receiver)

The reason I assume this is that I can't find any receivers with DVI in/outputs.

Is this correct?

If so, what receiver should I get, medium end? My buddy says Denon, I have a Sony.
Final Q for now, is DVI all that worth it? Can I jsut run my HDTV through a component video track and then not have to switch the TV from DVI to component without a big loss in quality?

TIA
 
You can use the component inputs, but since you're converting down to an analog signal, you will lose quality. In addition to Denon, I also like a lot of Harmon Kardon and some of the higher end Onkyo gear.

I'm a fan of programmable remotes that allow macros. Hit one key and everything powers up/down with no fuss.

Oh yeah, and DVI is definitely recommended for plasma/LCD sets due to scaling issues.
 
Ok cool, that helps some:

"You can use the component inputs, but since you're converting down to an analog signal, you will lose quality."

So from this I assume component is not digital, good to know. So I WANT to use DVI. Gotcha.

I have DLP, not plasma or LCD.

Back to the orginal question, I don't need DVI on my home theater receiver right?



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No, you do not need a DVI input on your surround sound receiver. If you end up having more devices (such as a DVD player or another HD-receiver/HD-TiVo), then you may wish to look into a DVI switch for video, however.

(Of course, you could still use the component inputs for the less frequently used device.)
 
My other friend thinks DVI is not for TV but rather for computer monitor inputs if you want to use the TV for a computer monitor.

Is he mental?
 
He's partially correct. DVI is a specification that is also used for computer monitors (with the right graphics adapter).
 
an hdtv is essentially like a comp monitor or boardroom projector in that it can display multiple resolutions (most analog are stuck at 640x480 or Svideo quality). That is why dvds look great when played on your computer vs analog tv.

You should just hook up the dvi out on your Direct TV HD set top box (it should have one, unless you have an older model) to the DVI in on your TV. Then you have to hook up the sound (from the set top box) to your receiver (or just straight in to the TV).

like the previous poster said, you dont really want to mess with the video signal by running it into the receiver. Path of least resistance and what not.

Also, read the owners manual and make sure you get the correct kind of DVI cables. There are like 2 or 3 diff flavors.
 
DVI is for any monitor, computer or otherwise. You want to hook the DVI cable straight from the video source - dvd player, hd box, etc. This type of connection is to exploit the "digital", read better, signals of the picture. Unfortunately, (disclaimer-my understanding) is that this technology is being replaced with a HDMI?, which I think is high def multi interface. This will allow not only the video, but the audio as well to be transferred digitally. I know samsung has a dvd player with dvi that pairs beautifully with your dlp. The picture is unreal. I think there are a very few high end recievers that have dvi. Problem is that the industry is still embracing this new connections and are waiting on a consenses before investing and implementing them on their equipment. Like I said, I believe that the future is HDMI connections and I know the newer high end plasmas have them and think I read somewhere that the new dlps will have them as well.

Denon is excellent for mid priced recievers - look at the 3805. B&K is a step up and is really nice. After that, you have the exotics.

If you haven't already gotten speakers, I suggest the Definitive Technology 7000 series. They are a perfect match for that Denon.
 
Denon:

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$700

Sony ES

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$600

Sony

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$300

All have similar features. My av geek buddy turned his nose up at the the Sony much the same way I turn my nose up at intel processors but instead of coming with hard data he came with "it soudns better"

Someone break it down for me why I should get the Denon. I'm no audio guy, my first impulse is to get the sony.

I have a sony 5.1 and have had for 5 years and never a single problem.
 
Hornin NYC,

DVI or HDMI switching on a receiver is very new to the market. Only a few units have this feature right now, and they're at the $4000+ price point. Look at the Sony 9000ES on Crutchfield, as an example. Most everyone using one or more sources plug directly to the TV or to a stand-alone DVI switcher.

Your DSS box probably doesn't have DVI, but Samsung and Sony do make DirecTV receivers with DVI outputs. You can find those on Crutchfield also. IMO, the most noticeable improvement in using DVI over component is with a DVI DVD player.
 
TY

My Direc tv box has DVI out, jsut called em.

OK Im cool, I don't need it through the receiver.
 
it's one fo two, either :SIR-TS360

or a hughesThe Link

They both have DVI (havent goteen it yet setting up next week when i move in
 
DVI to your TV will give you the best picture. DVI will be soon replaced with HDMI. However, there will be convertors to go from DVI to HDMI..

The next wave of DVD Players will be HDMI.
The quandry will be what to plug into what. Most components willhave only one HDMI port.

I am building a house with a media room. I plan on using the HDMI from the DVD to the HDMI on the front projection SONY. I have seen a demo and the picture quality is HDTV quality on a 100" screen. Truly amazing.

I will then use the Optical out from the DVD for the audio to the AV Reciver.


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Is HDMI just combining digital audio with DVI digital video into a new connector with no other changes?

If so is there any advantage to running HDMI instead of DVI from the DVD player to your Sony projector.

I assume your sound is not going to coming from the projector.
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I currently use the DVI out from the TW cable box to a projector and 133" 16:9 screen and am pleased. The only thing that sucks is that my projector only has 1 DVI input so I can't use the DVI out on my V.Inc DVD player without swapping cables.
 
rayfes,

HDMI will be pretty useless until HDMI-switching receivers (and preamps, processors, etc.) come out. Sounds like you need a DVI switcher for your D1 right now.
 
I got my TV on onday and still havent hooked it up becasue Im furiously unpacking.

It's huge. It looked not huge at the store becasue they ahd even bigger ones but its farking huge. Maybe I should have gotten the 42 incher.
 
I have a Denon and it has you put all the audio and video through it. I have s-video from my DVR and my DVD go into Mr. Denon, and Mr. Denon has a single s-video that goes to Mr. Sony XBR. This allows you to use Mr. Denon's menus on Mr. Sony's screen.

How can you do this if the video goes straight from DVR to Mr. XBR, or in Hornin Metrosexual's case, to his behemoth HDTV that still will not compensate for a small pee-pee?

Regarding Denon, I think mine is great. I used to have a Sony and I think the Denon sounded noticably better and certainly has better power. Mr. Sony would sometimes go into protection mode when I was trying to break my windows during the beginning of Saving Private Ryan (and Saving Ryan's Privates too).

My advice would be to download the owner's manual for the Denon you intend to buy and just look at the schematic. I have to believe they have addressed the problem I identify in some form or fashion. The on-screen menus are essential to setting up your surround the right way (e.g. looking at the levels and the 800 other options you have).
 
I understand, but Denon wants you to run all audio and video through the receiver before it goes to Mr. TV.

I'm on the case, and will report back.
 
Thanks for ruining my thread with your too big picture mister 30-inch-tv-becasue-my-wife-won't-lt-me-get-bigger.

Anyway, you can't run DVI through your denon so that's right out for hdtv.
 
Shiat you're right.

However, bought a Denon last week so no DVI through the receiver for me.

**** me 3 grand on that receiver....
 
I haven't seen many receivers with DVI switches. DVI component switches that are sold separately cost an assload.

Good call on the Denon - as an AVR-2801 owner I can say the sound will be awesome. I only wish I could afford the really high-end Denon.
 
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