Hate crime

Burnt Orangeman

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There is no such animal.

There is just crime.

For example, take murder.

There is always a reason and it's never good enough.

Otherwise it wouldn't be murder, it would be something else like "self defense".
 
hate crime is another creation of the left to promote its social engineering agenda. of course, like always, they completely miss the boat.
 
BurntOrange:

While I am generally skeptical of separate crimes for “hate crimes,” I disagree with your basic premise that motivation is irrelevant the severity of the criminal act. To use your example, you seem indicate that unjustified homicide as always murder. In fact, the legal systems in most states have historically distinguished unjustified homicides based largely on the “motive” or intent of the killer. Whether distinguished by first or second degree murder, or voluntary homicide vs murder, the actual criminal statutes make these separate crimes.

With respect to “hate crimes” this distinction seems unnecessary because judges or juries can and should take into account aggravating factors about a defendant’s motives. For example, most people would more severely punish someone who killed because he was motivated by racial hatred than someone who killed because the victim had slept with his wife.

I could persuaded to support hate crimes if data existed that showed it actually reduced this type of crime, but I think this arises more from “feel good” legislation, which should be rejected if unsupported by real data.
 
So what if the same person killed someone because they hated stupid people and the victim was most certainly stupid?

Would that be a hate crime because he hated stupid people and killed a stupid person?
 
majorapplewhites:

Since I reject the basic premise of having separate categories for hate crimes, I'm probably not the best person to answer. You question illustrates why these issues are best addresssed by having a broad penalty range with discrection for prosecutors, judges, and juries.
 
Agree with BO completely here. Enforce the laws we have on the books. Crime is crime. I had a cousin who was murdered in cold blood by a prospective gang member who had to "kill a white boy" in order to get in the gang. That was never considered to be a "hate crime". I wonder why?
 

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