Harsh message on ISIL

[Crockett]

"The al Qaeda affiliate in Yemen actively plots against us. Since 9/11, terrorists have murdered U.S. citizens overseas, including in the attacks in Benghazi, Libya. Here in the United States, Americans have been killed at Ft. Hood and during the Boston Marathon.

"In Syria and Iraq, the terrorist group we call ISIL has slaughtered innocent civilians and murdered hostages, including Americans, and has spread its barbarism to Libya with the murder of Egyptian Christians. In recent months, we've seen deadly attacks in Ottawa, Sydney, Paris and Copenhagen.
The right strategy against Islamic State
"Elsewhere, the Pakistan Taliban massacred more than 100 schoolchildren and their teachers. From Somalia, al-Shabaab has launched attacks across East Africa. In Nigeria and neighboring countries, Boko Haram kills and kidnaps men, women and children.

"In the face of this challenge, we must stand united internationally and here at home. We know that military force alone cannot solve this problem. Nor can we simply take out terrorists who kill innocent civilians. We also have to confront the violent extremists — the propagandists, recruiters and enablers — who may not directly engage in terrorist acts themselves, but who radicalize, recruit and incite others to do so."
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"Groups like al Qaeda and ISIL promote a twisted interpretation of religion that is rejected by the overwhelming majority of the world's Muslims. The world must continue to lift up the voices of Muslim clerics and scholars who teach the true peaceful nature of Islam. We can echo the testimonies of former extremists who know how terrorists betray Islam. We can help Muslim entrepreneurs and youths work with the private sector to develop social media tools to counter extremist narratives on the Internet.

"Our campaign to prevent people around the world from being radicalized to violence is ultimately a battle for hearts and minds.-
We know from experience that the best way to protect people, especially young people, from falling into the grip of violent extremists is the support of their family, friends, teachers and faith leaders. At this week's summit, community leaders from Los Angeles, Minneapolis and Boston will highlight innovative partnerships in their cities that are helping empower communities to protect their loved ones from extremist ideologies."

What kind of twisted mind can read this and say: "President Obama says it's OK for ISIS to behead Americans and the only thing we can do about it is offer them better jobs." ? I guess I should ask Ted Cruz, the posters posting a variation of this message on Facebook got nothing.

 

[WorsterMan]

Crockett, others may go to hell, but I will go to Texas.

On a more recent and serious response, some of our uninformed need to read up on BHO. He was raised in an total Muslim / Islamic environment so he is not going to take a serious stand against what the US and the world is facing vs. the Jr. Varsity JV as he labeled them 1 year ago. His feckless administration recently trotted out the jobs for ISIS alternative. OK, so the expert strategist in the White House concluded these radicalized Muslims just need jobs, they want to be Westernized, want to become part of society. Really?

I was "uphauled" and embarrassed by this ABSURD suggestion by his sophomore sorority girl spokesperson.

 

[Crockett]

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-obama-terrorism-conference-20150218-story.html

 

[Crockett]

Marie Harf's actual words, " We're killing a lot of them. And we're going to keep killing more of them. So are the Egyptians and Jordanians, they're in this fight with us. We can not win this war by killing them. We can not kill our way out of this war. We need in the medium and longer term to go after the root causes that lead people to join these groups, whether it is lack of opportunity for jobs--

So Worster, you're saying that lack of jobs, poverty, lack of access to education aren't factors in creating a culture in which young Muslims may be attracted to radicalized movements?

 

[Clean]

Groups like al Qaeda and ISIL promote a twisted interpretation of religion that is rejected by the overwhelming majority of the world's Muslims.

Exactly how are the "overwhelming majority of the worlds Muslims" rejecting Islamic Extremism.

I keep listening for their denunciation of Islamic Extremism and all I hear is crickets chirping.

 

[Crockett]

If you are listening to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh you won't hear them. They have plenty of airtime for lying airheads purporting to be experts on Islam, but no Moderate Muslim. Google Moderate Muslim denounce exremism and you'll find about 1,000 links. Here's the first. http://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...ont-more-moderate-muslims-denounce-extremism/
Of course I and others have posted the links dozens of time, but no doubt, it's only days before I read a poster on here say "I keep listening o heir denunciation of Islamic Extremism and all I hear is crickets chirping" Needless to add you'll hear some airhead Fox commentator, asking "Where are these moderate Muslims?" and all their "journalists" and all their producers helpless as kittens to find them.

 

[Horn6721]

Croc?
"What kind of twisted mind can read this and say: "President Obama says it's OK for ISIS to behead Americans and the only thing we can do about it is offer them better job"
Exactly
Which twisted mind did say this?

husker offered the same strawman declaring people need to stop blaming all muslims.
Which poster or well known Politician or pundit is blaming all muslims?
Got any names?
Is there a whacko somewhere who does? sure just like there is likely a whacko somewhere who thinks if you call it radical islam you are saying all muslims are radical. Or if you are against illegal immigrants you are against all immigrants. BS

BO has used this same deflection over and over which is a nice dodge for him to he doesn't have to name to the problem.

Can we all agree? Not all muslims are radical BUT radical muslims are a threat.

 

[Crockett]

• Which twisted mind did say this?

1. Solution to ISIS is military power, NOT expanded Medicare benefits! – Ted Cruz ridicules Obama strategy » The Right ...
2. Ted Cruz: Obama Has Become 'An Apologist For Radical Islamic Terrorists' [VIDEO]
3. Ted Cruz blasts 'apologist' Obama's response to Islamic State atrocities

 

[Horn6721]

Croc?
Did you actually watch any of those vids?
There is nothing like what you suggested in them
unless you took exception to Cruz calling that State woman's words idiocy.( I am guessing you think so as well)
No one is those Vids certainly not Cruz ever said BO thinks it is ok to behead Americans

 

[Clean]

Google Moderate Muslim denounce exremism and you'll find about 1,000 links.

Although I'm a HUGE follower of the Grand Mufti Ibrahim Abu Mohamed of Australia, I had not heard of his vigorous condemnation of the Sydney attack. Thank you so much!

The only high ranking Muslim/Muslim sympathizers I've heard publicly condemning terrorism lately were the Presidents of Iran (Rouhani), Turkey (Erdogan), and America (Obama) and they were all condemning the killings in Chapel Hill, N.C.

 

[CedarParkFan]

Cruz simply wants the president to identify the enemy: radical Islam. Not Islam, but radical Islam. And no, the economic climate has nothing to do with their inherent violent and evil tendencies. They have a job - killing. They have money - too much. Why is it so hard to express such opinions in this PC driven climate. The earlier comment on illegal immigration vs immigration is another perfect example. I can see nothing in the vids where Cruz has alluded to the fact that Obama thinks their actions are ok. But, he is guilty of not calling a spade a spade.

 

[NJlonghorn]

I can see nothing in the vids where Cruz has alluded to the fact that Obama thinks their actions are ok. But, he is guilty of not calling a spade a spade.

I agree. Obama is right to resist attacking Islam as a whole, but his refusal to criticise radical Islam sends a very garbled message.

And no, the economic climate has nothing to do with their inherent violent and evil tendencies. They have a job - killing. They have money - too much. Why is it so hard to express such opinions in this PC driven climate.

I disagree. ISIS is flush with cash, but their potential recruits are mostly poor. They are told that their poverty is caused by the greedy capitalists in the west, and that ISIS is the answer.

 

[Musburger1]

So far, the thrust of ISIS offensives have been directed first at Libya (though the term ISIS did not yet exist), then toward Syria, and now into Iraq. The US and NATO openly aided the destruction of Libya, and supported the attacks on Syria. Even today, the US continues to train and arm "moderate Muslims" to fight against Assad. Only as ISIS moves into Iraq and threatens the Kurd region that borders Turkey, does the US government become concerned.

Libya and Syria both had good relations with Russia and with Iran. Iran is Shiite and Syria's Assad government is a faction offshoot of Shia Islam. As such, they are natural enemies of ISIS, a fanatical Suni branch of Islam rooted in Wahabbi Islam as practiced in Saudi Arabia.

The US government, as well as Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia basically channeled ISIS aggression toward Syria for geopolitical reasons. For the US and the EU, destablization of Syria resulting in the overthrow of Assad means the possibility of installing a new government that would shun Russia and do the bidding of the US (and the EU). For Qatar and the Suni Middle East oil countries, a new government would allow them to pipe gas to Europe resulting in billions of dollars because they would then be able to compete against Russia for the sale of gas to Europe. Syria has long had good relations with Russia and will not allow the Arab states to run a pipe line through Syria.

When you make deals with the devil, it often comes back to bite you. Libya is now a terror haven and ISIS now has a base to launch attacks into the heart of Africa. Syria's country has basically been destroyed and hundreds of thousands of now homeless refugees flood into Turkey and Jordan.

The point I am trying to make with my long ramble is that the clandestine actions of the US government via the CIA and the State Department are very much a factor in the growth of ISIS. Our role in Libya resulted in the Benghazi debacle and subsequent coverup. Relations with Russia deteriorated first with our intervention in Syria and now even more with the coup in Kiev and subsequent civil war which the US intends to escalate by heaping more sanctions on Russia and sending lethal weapons to the new pro Nazi regime in Kiev.

So, I blame Obama, not so much for his rhetoric, but for the part he plays behind the scenes, as well as the new-cons such as John McCain and Hillary Clinton (yes, Democrats can be neo-cons), that helped to create and facilitate the expansion of ISIS.

 

[Musburger1]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/obamas...is-protected-by-the-us-and-its-allies/5432163

The above link describes a counter point of view than what has been presented to the public by the government and the press. Most Americans have been pre-conditioned to discard this message as wacko conspiratorial nonsense. But if you simply use common sense and evaluate the evidence presented, as a minimum, you should at least be skeptical of the status quo narrative. I'll paste the article below.

Since August 2014, the US Air Force with the support of a coalition of 19 countries has relentlessly waged an intensified air campaign against Syria and Iraq allegedly targeting the Islamic State brigades.

According to Defense News, over 16,000 airstrikes were carried out from August 2014 to mid January 2015. Sixty percent of the air strikes were conducted by the US Air Force using advanced jet fighter and bombing capabilities (Aaron Mehta, “A-10 Performing 11 Percent of Anti-ISIS Sorties”. Defense News, January 19, 2015.)

The airstrikes have been casually described by the media as part of a “soft” counter-terrorism operation, rather than an act of all out war directed against Syria and Iraq.

This large scale air campaign which has resulted in countless civilian casualties has been routinely misreported by the mainstream media. According to Max Boot, senior fellow in national security at the Council on Foreign Relations. ”Obama’s strategy in Syria and Iraq is not working… [ because] the U.S. bombing campaign against ISIS has been remarkably restrained”. (Newsweek, February 17, 2015, emphasis added).

Americans are led to believe that the Islamic State constitutes a formidable force confronting the US military and threatening Western Civilization. The thrust of media reporting is that the US Air Force has failed and that “Obama should get his act together” in effectively confronting this ”Outside Enemy” of America.

According to CFR Max Boot, military escalation is the answer: what is required is for the president “to dispatch more aircraft, military advisers, and special operations forces, while loosening the restrictions under which they operate.” (Ibid)

What kind of aircraft are involved in the air campaign? The F-16 Fighting Falcon,(above right), The F-15E Strike Eagle (image below) , The A-10 Warthog, not to mention Lockheed Martin’s F-22 Raptor stealth tactical fighter aircraft.

Question for Our Readers

Why has the US Air Force not been able to wipe out the Islamic State which at the outset was largely equipped with conventional small arms not to mention state of the art Toyota pickup trucks?

From the very outset, this air campaign has NOT been directed against ISIS. The evidence confirms that the Islamic State is not the target. Quite the opposite.

The air raids are intended to destroy the economic infrastructure of Iraq and Syria.

The USAF-15E Strike Eagle

We call on our readers to carefully reflect on the following image, which describes the Islamic State convoy of pickup trucks entering Iraq and crossing a 200 km span of open desert which separates the two countries.

This convoy entered Iraq in June 2014.

What would have been required from a military standpoint to wipe out an ISIS convoy with no effective anti-aircraft capabilities?

Without an understanding of military issues, common sense prevails.

If they had wanted to eliminate the Islamic State brigades, they could have “carpet” bombed their convoys of Toyota pickup trucks when they crossed the desert from Syria into Iraq in June.

The answer is pretty obvious, yet not a single mainstream media has acknowledged it.

The Syro-Arabian Desert is open territory (see map right). With state of the art jet fighter aircraft (F15, F22 Raptor, F16) it would have been –from a military standpoint– ”a piece of cake”, a rapid and expedient surgical operation, which would have decimated the Islamic State convoys in a matter of hours.

Instead what we have witnessed is an ongoing drawn out six months of relentless air raids and bombings, and the terrorist enemy is apparently still intact.

(In comparison, the NATO bombing raids of Yugoslavia in 1999 lasted about three months (March 24-June 10, 1999).

And we are led to believe that the Islamic State cannot be defeated by a powerful US led military coalition of 19 countries.

The air campaign was not intended to decimate the Islamic State.

The counter-terrorism mandate is a fiction. America is the Number One “State Sponsor of Terrorism”.

The Islamic State is not only protected by the US and its allies, it is trained and financed by US-NATO, with the support of Israel and Washington’s Persian Gulf allies. ​