Harry Reid's Desert Xpress

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VICTORVILLE, Calif. — On a dusty, rock-strewn expanse at the edge of the Mojave Desert, a company linked to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid wants to build a bullet train that would rocket tourists from the middle of nowhere to the gambling palaces of Las Vegas.

Bank of Obama only going in for $4.9 Billion for what most see as a net loss on jobs, but at least SoCal can take a train rather than SWA!
 
Well I guess we know why Steve Wynn has shut his trap. He is involved in this too.

So let me get this straight, $100 SWA fare or I drive 100s of miles to the train station to pay $100 for a train ticket to the same place. Who in their right mind would do this?
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Just to make sure this has context: Victorville is in fact out in the desert but it's not quite in the middle of nowhere. In fact, it's been growing quite a bit and could almost be considered on the outer edges of the Los Angeles area. It's certainly not right there, but I think the design was not so much about getting people from Las Vegas to LA as it was getting LA people to and from Las Vegas.

Having said that, I'd almost think it makes as much sense to use the money to subsidize the airlines to offer cheaper flights into Las Vegas from LA. I don't see people on the farthest edges of LA driving out to Victorville (taking an hour or so to get there), and THEN jumping on a train to go the rest of the way, waiting who knows how long between trains, when they can just keep on going for the remaining three hours or so of the drive.

I can tell you as someone who makes the Vegas-Cali drive through Victorville a few times a year, I'd be more than happy to skip that drive given the opportunity!
 
This is the guy who will not even give consideration to the National Budget passed by the House of Representatives. Gee, I wonder why? Truly this guy is holding the country hostage and should be arrested for theft from the Treasury.
 
That is just beyond stupid. Kind of par for the course though with nutjob Reid and Obama. We are DEEP in debt and they want to loan out 5billion on a gamble? These bozos will never learn.
 
just checked LAX to Vegas - $90 round trip. Reid train going to offer tickets between $75-$100. Excellent investment by Obama.
 
I just typed "LAX to Vegas" into google and it pulled fares from $88. However, I partially agree with Will. ii did not lie and cheap tickets are available. Nevertheless, luggage costs money, there are always hidden fees, weekends are usually more, and advance purchase is required... With that said though, train prices will be more than advertised or will be subsidized to bring them down. And neither trains nor flights will take you from point A to point B as both require a substantial drive to get to the hub (station or airport).
 
Southwest.com jackass. They also have an app which provides an easy way to check fares not to mention an email service called "ding" which routinely sends $69 fares.

I am not the federal government, so I will not do it for you.
 
Depart Arrive Flight #
LAX
LAS
(% ontime) Routing Travel Time
Business Select $211 Anytime $195 Wanna Get Away $45 6:00am


Copied it for you just in case. Am I still a liar?
 
MichTex,
Do you think the 4.9 billion for the train, if it were to be built without the typical cost overruns, would be the worth it?
 
Maybe this is just Obama's expensive way to apologize for his dumb comments about staying away from Vegas early in his Presidency.
 
Airfares depend upon many things including when you book and how many seats are taken. My example was a 21 day advanced fare booked on the Internet.

If you call SWA today asking for a $90 fare to Vegas this weekend, no you are not likely to get it. However, I doubt you will get it on the train either under the same conditions.
 
ii's
Gppd point
but to your original point why is it the responsibility of the taxpayer to help pay to create a rail line from LA to Vegas?

i see you were attacked ONLY on the price of air fares. No one suggested , so far, that we should help pay for this.
 
And just to clarify, the rate I found was not for a weekend, but theiioftx never said anything about weekend travel. It was Bigwill who made that qualification.
 
I was pointing out yet another waste of taxpayer dollars coupled with another dumb loan backed by BHO for his buddy. The diversion to SWA was just a response to being called a liar. And no, I have not seen an apology...
 
Anyone wonder whether a train from LA to Vegas would be a target for a terrorist attack? Both LA and Vegas are symbols of american decadence and trains and train tracks seem like relatively easy targets.
 
I was anti-high speed rail until I came to Europe and started using it. Now I'll take a train over a flight unless it's totally impractical not to take the plane. Here's why.

1. Airports are rarely in convenient locations. Rail stations are usually right in the middle of town.

2. It's a colossal pain in the *** to get on a plane - the lines, having your junk felt up by the TSA, the bitchy old women and obnoxious gay guys you have to deal with at the airport, the crappy but very expensive food. At the train station, you're not part of a captive market because it's in the middle of town. You can walk across the street and get something to eat/drink before your train leaves if you want. They know that, so you get much better food and service. No lines. If you buy your ticket in advance, you walk right on. (An attendant verifies your ticket on board after you're seated.) If you don't buy your ticket in advance, you wait in one line, and you don't get sodomized on the fare like you would if you tried to buy an airline ticket at the airport. It's nice to be able to show up 10 minutes before departure instead of 2 hours.

3. Planes are very uncomfortable. The seats are cramped, and you have no leg room. You can fly first class, but you'll pay out the rear. Trains have plenty of room, and even the second class seats are large and comfortable.

4. Airlines lose your luggage. You don't have to check luggage on a train, so it doesn't get lost.

5. You're lucky if you get garbage to eat on a plane. Trains usually have real food if you want it. You'll have to pay for it, but you won't get bent over. You can even get a decent beer if you want.

6. While it takes a lot of government money to run a train system, it takes a lot to run the airlines. The taxpayers build their airports, pay them to fly our mail, and funded a lot of the research that goes into their aircraft.

Having said that, the further you have to travel, the less sense rail makes. Europe and the East Coast of the US are very crowded, so it works well there. However, I think California is probably too spread out to make it viable. Furthermore, this particular rail project seems bogus to me. Even from Riverside, you're looking at a 50 mile drive to Victorville. I think they'd get more interest if it went to (for example) Ontario or a city a little closer to the action.
 
You pretty much covered everything Deez. Airplanes suck and they are getting worse every year. If you're not an elite status flyer you're treated like the dog **** stuck to the bottom of the airlines' shoes.

BUT if you're traveling longer distances air is the only thing that makes sense. And many airports are inconvenient compared to city bus/train stops but only IF you live downtown. For rural and suburbia folk the outlying airports are in many cases more convenient than driving into town, finding parking then waiting at a train station stop.

This particular proposed train is simply a payout for campaign contributions.
 

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