Happy birthday to Billy Graham

Graham is a great man. He was (and still is) bigger than the politicians and commands almost universal respect. Furthermore, while other famous "evangelists" like Swaggart, Bakker, and Tilton exposed themselves as frauds, Graham has pretty much practiced what he preached his whole career.
 
Happy birthday you pompous old fraud and bosom buddy of Richard Nixon, famous Quaker.

I attended one of his revivals in Lubbock years ago. He quoted secular philosophers on an ad hoc basis for stuff none of them would endorse. I guess tossing out the names of Sartre and Camus was supposed to impress the scholars of the south plains.

MOstly he recited the same old gibberish----God planned everything, even down to your birth and is real interested in you personally. Of course you have free will, which means that you can upset what He already "knows." Blah blah blah.

Just another well intentioned holy man making lots of money.

If you want to listen to a holy man who actually preaches a reasonably intelligent sermon and stays within the bounds of reason, may I suggest James Robison? I went to jeer and was impressed instead.

ANyway, happy birthday and thanks for being out front on civil rights for the blacks back in the day. Shame on you for beiing pals with that crook.
 
Huis: Although he could have become fabulously wealthy like a lot of other televangelists, Billy Graham has not aspired to more than a comfortable middle class income. As far as being friendly with sinners, Jesus must have set a bad example for him.
 
I think Joel Osteen is making the world a better place.
I don't think he's increasing the population of heaven by much, though, unlike Billy Graham.
 
Ok, he's not bad as big time evangelists go but my one experience with his revivals reeked of intellectual dishonesty and condescension to his huge audience. I had expected a lot more.

It is a little known fact that Rev Graham was one of the southern preachers who was white, big time and supported de segregation to the point of inviting MLK to preach with him. Good for him.

He also provided cover for Nixon, a brilliant man I admire in many respects but who crawled, dripping slime, out of the moral swamps. When together they were so oily it was pathetic.

Mixed emotions about him but there are a lot of evangelists who are men of God and don't get rich and don't suck up to the megalomaniacs in government.

Compared to Rev Wright, Rev Sharpton, Rev Jackson, Osteen and those hillbilly fakirs he is an exemplar.
 
I have supported the Billy Graham Association for over forty years, and I have never been disappointed with him or his approach to preaching. Franklin has taken over the lead in preaching as Billy aged. But Billy has walked the walk well.

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newdoc: For decades I have seen people get all reverent when Graham is mentioned. I went to every night of one of his revivals and found him to be intellectually dishonest, about the same level as an advertising agency. It was sort of like hearing Obama cite a bit of one of Reagan's speeches to justify an expansion of government. He did it repeatedly. The people he was quoting were diametrically opposed to what he was preaching. I was more supportive of what he was preaching than I was of Jean Paul Sartre or the others he cited but was offput by his slipshod reasoning.

I like listening to preachers, especially good ones and he is real good. But the best don't engage in dishonest arguments like that.

And for the poster who pointed out that Jesus hung out with sinners, I would point out that he told them not to do it anymore. Ever hear Reverend Graham tell LBJ or Nixon to back off from anything?

In fact, if you listen to the Nixon tapes, Graham indulged in some anti semitic nonsense with the Chief Crook,

He later apologized.
 
I do not think "fear of God" is the same between believers and non-believers as far as what it means. I think some posts on this thread highlight some people's simple lack of knowledge about Christianity. I really do not follow Billy Graham or Joel Osteen, but I certainly would not attack them.
 

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