Gruber proves too toxic for media

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As of late today... the revelation of videos of MIT Prof of Economics, Jonathan Gruber... has proved too toxic for the media.

Television news coverage of the story has been avoided by ABC and NBC, with only CBS given it coverage this morning.

Avoiding it so far are...

Los Angeles Times
New York Times
USA Today
Associated Press

You can find the Gruber story on FoxNews. Just a little bit too toxic for now for all others.

Withholding, filtering, sifting, deciding what to report, is just as much a form of propaganda as so-called made up stories.

Call it soft propaganda? Propaganda Lite?
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Well, Fox is making a big deal of it.
 
A couple of things.

1. This news cycle coincided with two monumental events: the amazing landing of a exploratory module on the face of the comet, which blows my mind, and then the release of an oiled up, photoshopped version of Kim Kardashian's otherworldly booty, which, based on internet traffic, others find as fascinating as I do the pioneering space exploration.

Secondly: I have a bit of the progressive spirit, yet the elitist government-knows-best thought-leaders Will cites sound seriously detached and misinformed. As a progressive, I guess I fear it more likely that concentrated/unregulated power in the hands of Time-Warner and Comcast is more certain to get me screwed over than say, government run health care. But I don't feel particularly good about either one running amuck.

By the way, Obamacare is not government-run health care. Health-care is still in the hands mostly of private providers and private insurers.
 
// actually, an outstanding comment and points made.
With that kind of dialog I can defuse my assessments and listen to different sides to a story.

Thank you very much! I mean that.
 
Crockett I found a progressive (D) I can listen to.
Rep Luis V. Gutierrez (D, Illinois).
He was on Morning Joe this morning. Just watched my DVR replay.

His demeanor and sound of just listening to him, makes me listen more and give a lot of credit to what he thinks, what he has to say.

Go figure! Right?!
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I think this story is news worthy, because of how revealing it is. However, I think thisarticle does a good job at explaining why there's an element of truth to what Gruber said and that both sides use semantics and accounting tricks to deceive the public in promoting their agenda.
 
I for one would definitely like to move the conversations to a higher plane. There are certainly conservative leaders I admire that take a thoughtful, scholarly, look at problems and realize there has to be reason and balance in solutions. Sen. Jeff Flake from AZ caught my attention during the immigration debate.

Yet the media seems dominated by the folks whose communication goes straight for the adrenal gland, with simple, impractical soluions that sound "right" to the base. Sen. Ted Cruz is maybe the best example -- more of a bomb thrower than a pragmatic leader.

I think Massachusetts took a very interesting approach to health care costs -- transparency. Health care providers have to post price of procedures like an MRI. It's hard to intelligently buy health services when you don'tknow the cost until they are done. I don't know if this is a conservative or a progressive idea, however, I'm pretty certain that the Medical/Indistrial Complex lobbyists and PACs willl prevent this from spreading, which is neither coservative nor progressive. It's simply business as usual as the well-fundied pay the politicians for the continued right to take advantage of consumers.
 
A lot of liberal spin control going on in this thread. Kind of like Obama heard the voters in the last election, but he also heard the people that didn't vote too.

Gruber's remarks aren't too "toxic" for the lamestream media, they just don't report whatever doesn't support their agenda. They don't report on Benghazi or the IRS scandal or any of a dozen other scandals that cast a pall on the Glorious Leader's administration.

They are to the BO Admin what Pravda was to the Communist Party back in the USSR.
 
I actually agree with the premise of Gruber's point. The average American is too stupid to understand whether certain policies make sense. That does not mean that Obamacare should have been passed. It just means most Americans are too stupid to know whether it should have been passed or not.

Just for texture, there was a survey done a while back that identified that 2/3rds of all Americans could not name all 3 branches of government. That is amazing and scary.
 
Dems/libs have always believed that people are not smart enough to make the correct life decisions.
 
Fwiw the story got time on the Sunday morning shows yesterday. It may be only because they were forced to cover it after other stations gave the story legs.
 
It must have gotten legs. I heard BO distancing himself from Grubergate on the radio. He said Gruber wasn't ever an official member of his staff

Nancy Pelosi denied she ever heard of him last week. She'd apparently forgotten that she praised him back a few years ago and it was caught on video, of course.
 
The gaff of saying the voters are too stupid to understand why the law has to work the way it does, has given it legs.

But the key point is the fact the bill was written in a way so it would get past the Budget Office and the total cost not be viewed as a tax. Words to that effect.

Those concerned need to carve a path to the courts and have the bill thrown out by the Judicial branch, and not attack it in Congress.
 
I couldn't agree more UTChE96.

Obamacare doesn't work for the majority. I have a nightmare of a story that actually happened to me. It would be a book what I went through. Let's just say that the doctors on my network weren't qualified to perform what I needed done and my insurance gave me a waiver to go to any doctor I want and the doctors declined due to the insurance burning them. I ended up having surgery and paying all out of pocket. So my premiums went through the roof, my deductible was so high that I would have no chance at of having anything paid for. Lucky for me that I had the money saved and my polyps was benign. If it was cancerous I'd be dead right now. Because after fighting with the insurance and not having any doctors to comply i finally went to paid myself after 6 months. Never so stressed in my life and I couldn't even speak at the end before having it cut out. So I've been paying for insurance all this time that's very high now under Obamacare and couldn't even use it. Also about 2/3 of the doctors on my network are really not even on my network. Their offices said they have had people on this plan call them for treatment and they don't even know why they are on it. Sounds like this exchange is just putting doctors names down without going to the doctors just to make their network of doctors to look bigger. This whole thing is a fraud. I'm not even getting into a ton of stuff I went through. So I'm several thousand dollars down and still paying for insurance that I can't use.
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I absolutely regret hearing such a thing as that has happend, 35. Ouch!
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