GOP immigration plan

BrntOrngStmpeDe

BrntOrngStmpeDe

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saw a commercial on the GOP immigration plan today.

Sounds reasonable to me except that I don't trust either party to abide by the intent.

1. secure the borders (personally I think this is a money grab by the contractors that will make millions doing it)
2. implement E-verify ....Why isn't this the first step??? I sure don't think the GOP will push real enforcement of law on employers
3. fines and taxes- I'm sure the Dem's will find a way to undercut this
4. Legalization but not citizenship - I think this should be simply a holding pattern for 6-8 years with eventual citizenship

The real issue is how to ensure this is not merely the latest in a series of promises with not intent to follow through.

I still firmly believe that curtailing access to jobs is the only thing that will ever stem the flow of illegal immigrants so why isn't this priority one?
 
The Republicans are crazy if they even mention immigration. Why would you take the focus off of Obummercare prior to the elections?

And as far as legalization but no path to citizenship goes, how long do you think it would be before the Dems start pushing for citizenship? Can't you hear Rachel Madcow and Chris Matthews lamenting the "second class citizens" and comparing their plight to blacks in the segregated South?

The Republicans should have learned their lesson in 1986. Fool me once...............
 
This whole issue is ********, and frankly, I'm starting to lose my interest in it and stop caring about it. Neither party has any friggin' credibility when it comes to enforcement, and I don't trust either one to enforce any kind of serious reform. After all, if we enforced the immigration laws, businesses would getting slammed with fines and prosecutions left and right, and millions would be getting deported every year.

Nobody is going to enforce ****. When the economy comes back and the construction industry starts booming again, we'll intentionally get lax in border security. If not, then we'll just make the legal process so easy that anybody can just show up.

And Clean is right. If illegal immigrants don't have a pathway to citizenship, then the Left and the media will start talking about them as second class citizens, who deserve equal rights. They won't do it right away, but it will happen within five years. Like I've said before, one of the Left's biggest advantages over the Right is that they are OK with incrementalism. That's what they did with Don't Ask Don't Tell, and they'll do it with this.

There is no easy answer. Our political parties are sipmly traitorous on the issue, and as a population, we're too stupid to see it or do anything about it. In other words, we're screwed.
 
Just enforce the laws already on the books and watch car thefts, home invasions, and dirty diaper litter decline rapidly.
 
How many home invasions have been by hispanics? How does that compare to the general population? I would think that hispanic home invasions would be low. home invasions per capita by race
 
They invade your home, replace your carpet, and you get charged less because their boss doesn't have insurance for when they get hurt.
 
I see that the Republicans have already dropped all pretense of passing any immigration reform, as there is no way the tea party would go along with any of it.
But does anyone know what the Republican definition of "securing the border" is? We have spent billions so far on fences and extra agents.
It appears this is just a moving target that will always be an excuse to never consider any legislation on immigration reform. They keep saying they will never consider anything until the "border is secure." Isn't this an impossible requirement?
 
offer the aliens green cards if they will turn in their employers and who they sent them to to get the illegal papers. Throw a couple hundred employers in the federal pokie for six months and the rest will shed their illegal alien employees, who will go home for lack of jobs. They will "self deport"
 
That's not true huische...there is a big underground economy where small employers hire illegal aliens and pay them with cash. There are maids, landscapers, painters, small contractors, etc. Big employers have to be more careful, sure, but you can't really control all the people who hire someone to mow their yard, clean their house, paint a room, put new shingles on the roof, etc.
The best way would be a legal ID of some sort (guest worker?) requiring payment to Social Security and withholding taxes, which would not totally eliminate the above situation, but would greatly decrease it.
But would the political parties quit playing politics with this issue and acknowledge reality? Doubtful. Not gonna happen.
 
I would love to see some of the people who hire illegals to cook and maid and do their lawns get dragged into federal court. I frequently represent coyotes and would love to hear the whining from the employers about how unfair it is that they are getting treated like criminals.
 
I don't think the United States has enough money to federally prosecute several million homeowners in federal court for hiring an undocumented maid, yard maintenance person, roofer, cement pouring guy, etc. How many million of these workers did we welcome to the US over the last century or so, or look the other way so businesses and individuals could have cheap labor.
You really think we can end it by prosecuting a few people? You mean like we ended the use of marijuana and other illegal drugs?
It ain't gonna happen. The only thing we can do is institute a legal permit of some sort which will cause many to come forward with the promise of a legal status. A lot will still be afraid or be unwilling to take advantage of even that offer.
You're never going to close the border, you are never going to round up even 5% of the undocumented people in this country, no matter what amount of effort is put into it.
Maybe we could do something where a lot of these people start paying taxes, get driver's licenses, get health insurance, have car insurance. That would be good enough for me, when taking reality into account.
 
What is it that "isn't controlled," Deez, and how do you propose controlling it?
Realistically, I mean, not some political platitude.
 
You don't have to prosecute everybody who hires one. You put a few in prison and the rest will shed their illegals. These are one class of people who actually can be deterred. They really are scared of going to prison and if they thought they might they would start mowing their own lawns.

How would it look at the club if you had to face your friends knowing your wife is serving six months in a federal slammer for hiring illegals?

But my main target would be the motel industry and restaurants and in particular the construction industry.

The underground economy based on cash payments is killing the wage scale for the poor working people. Nobody gives a damn about them anymore, including the people's party democrats, who suck up to the banks and hedge funds just like the other pig party
 
Accuratehorn,

i really don't agree. employing illegal immigrants is a completely different kind of infraction than drug use. It is purely an economics question. if the economic consequences outweigh the economic benefit the practice will subside dramatically (and almost instantly). As soon as a few employers have to pay a hefty fine, then the 10-15% that employers save on labor won't be worth the bad press and fines.

You really won't have to round them up. Many will leave voluntarily. Sure there will be some that want to stay becasue they have kids or whatever but many will leave ON THEIR OWN. If you have no job, no benefits...would you go home (where it is cheaper) or stay in the states?

I'm not even an advocate of trying to rid ourselves of 11 million illegals. Most of them are probably productive folks following the laws (except the obvious immigration and taxing laws).

However, we MUST put a halt to it and the only way to do that is to get serious and take real steps to force some portion of them out of the country. Only then will the rhetoric take on meaning more than political grandstanding.
 
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