Get Ready For This OSU Trick

I saw that bs multiple times.

TCU would substitute on O.

Then 1-2 lumbering OSU D-linemen would slowly jog onto the field to their positions, while the ref held the ball and prevented a snap. By the time they were in place and the ref let go of the ball, there was only a second or two left on the play clock and TCU got flagged with a delay of game.

Dykes lodged an objection (with much volume and hand gestures). Gundy was warned. But TCU still got tagged with delay of game penalties.
 
Chop said:
I saw that bs multiple times.

TCU would substitute on O.

Then 1-2 lumbering OSU D-linemen would slowly jog onto the field to their positions, while the ref held the ball and prevented a snap. By the time they were in place and the ref let go of the ball, there was only a second or two left on the play clock and TCU got flagged with a delay of game.

Dykes lodged an objection (with much volume and hand gestures). Gundy was warned. But TCU still got tagged with delay of game penalties.
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What penalty is called if the ball is snapped while the ref's hand is down?
 
guy4321 said:
What penalty is called if the ball is snapped while the ref's hand is down?
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Dead ball foul. 5 yards. Kind of like delay of game but rarely called.

Refs are supposedly instructed to stand over the ball for relatively the same amount of time as whatever elapsed before they "noticed" the substitution. So if the offense subs immediately at the last play's whistle and lines up in no-huddle, then the defense should really only get about 10 seconds max. Refs are doing it wrong if they afford the defense extra time. It shouldn't require a warning to the coach... it should require the ump getting off the ball.
 
Horns11 said:
Dead ball foul. 5 yards. Kind of like delay of game but rarely called.

Refs are supposedly instructed to stand over the ball for relatively the same amount of time as whatever elapsed before they "noticed" the substitution. So if the offense subs immediately at the last play's whistle and lines up in no-huddle, then the defense should really only get about 10 seconds max. Refs are doing it wrong if they afford the defense extra time. It shouldn't require a warning to the coach... it should require the ump getting off the ball.
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They should allow the offense to snap the ball regardless if the defense is set or not.
 
I have generally been a fan of Gundy’s over the years but those types of shenanigans, and the part of the post TCU game press conference I watched did not impress me. He never referred any player on the Texas team by name, only by number. I thought that was somewhat classless. He did say however that #5 would be a first round draft choice, so there’s that.
 
I wonder if the refs could hit the Pokes with a delay of game penalty for those shenanigans...

That's basically what they're doing--delaying the game...
 
Then 1-2 lumbering OSU D-linemen would slowly jog onto the field to their positions, while the ref held the ball and prevented a snap. By the time they were in place and the ref let go of the ball, there was only a second or two left on the play clock and TCU got flagged with a delay of game.
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It's stupid that they let coaches exploit this loophole far beyond its intended purpose, but as long as the rules say it works that way, every coach ought to be abusing it to the fullest.
 
I’m thinking the offense should be given some minimum amount of time to make their reads and get a play off. Maybe 10 seconds? Not sure how it could be implemented other than having the ref remove his hold at that point.
 
Simple solution, if the defense substitutes, the play clock stops at 8 seconds. The play clock resumes when the ref removes his hands from the ball.
 
I can't remember which game it was in the last couple of weeks that the referee restarted the play clock at 25 (not 40) because of the length of time the defense was consuming with their substitutions. As I recall, the clock was not running just the 40 second clock.

Since no one else remembers or has posted it, we have for years referred to those "injuries" and "Baylor timeouts"
 
Chop said:
Simple solution, if the defense substitutes, the play clock stops at 8 seconds. The play clock resumes when the ref removes his hands from the ball.
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That might work if you could rely on the clock operator to note substitutions correctly, they’ve always been so reliable :smile1:
 
Chop said:
Simple solution, if the defense substitutes, the play clock stops at 8 seconds. The play clock resumes when the ref removes his hands from the ball.
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In addition to what HalRex said, this would slow down a game that's already slow-paced. Let's keep it moving.
Do I have a perfect solution? No.
 
Gundy knows & plays the rule book into the margins. I may not like it, but it's up to the Conference to do something about it. Gundy is doing everything legal (so far as I can tell) to help his kids win. I watched Sunny almost have a seizure over it, don't blame Sunny for being POed, but if the rule isn't working/being properly administered on the field, that's on the league to fix, not the HC's.
 
That cannot be so! Something set up by Donnie Duncan & Walt Anderson, now administered by Walleye Burks cannot possibly have a problem. With such stellar architects and administrators what could possibly go wrong?

Suggestion: The cretins in Las Colinas consult with the BigSky Conference as to what the answer is since the vast majority of our officials are refugees from that bastion of football greatness.
 
Baseballgawd said:
Grades: Big 12 Officials Get an ‘F’ After Embarrassing Substitution Rule Debacle
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For those who didn't read, this is an OK State perspective stating that the officials actually following the rules deserved an F for calling offsides or ineligible participation penalties by not affording OK State more time to get subs on the field. It's a load of *********, as TCU never subbed in "late," as the article says. I counted one time that someone from the wrong personnel group rushed on the field, and that's the one that Dykes flipped his lid over. But every other time, it was definitely Gundy trying to send a message that he wasn't going to treat substitutions expediently.
 
Actually I’ve always wondered why we ‘rush’ our defense on and off after their offense substitutes. Makes no sense to not ‘use’ the idiocy of that rule to screw with their offenses timing.
 
Gundy: “C’mon Ref, I try to make those lollygaggers hustle, but I just can’t seem to get those fat bodies to move any faster. What’s that? What about when they’re chasing down the opponent’s QB? Well, that’s different.”
 
Go back to the way the game was played prior to (63?). You are allowed one substitution per play. Ewers playing safety for a coupleof plays. What could go wrong.
 
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