Gaddafi Killed

MojoMan

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Mohamar Gaddafi is dead. He was captured and then apparently immediately killed. The spectacle of a trial has therefore been averted.
Other despots in the region are probably not appreciative of the manner in which this was handled, or the precedent that it possibly establishes for their own future ouster from power.

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I wonder which radical Islamist/terrorist will take his place?

And will that person/group/entity be worse for the US than Gaddafi?

Could be that we'll be wishing ol Muammar was back in the LIbyan saddle.
 
Thanks for posting this.

Wow. I thought he'd left Libya. A quick clean end is better for the country than having him captive. Harsh reality.

I'm glad the rebels succeeded and the policy of the supporting NATO countries seems to have been effective.
 
A quick clean end is better for the country than having him captive.

Maybe, maybe not. You don't know that. Nobody knows that.


I'm glad the rebels succeeded and the policy of the supporting NATO countries seems to have been effective.


Be careful what you wish for. What makes you think Gaddafi's successor will be any better? For Libya or the US?

Our foreign policy, as understood (and I use that term rather loosely) by the American public seems to be "get bad guy out of power; put good guy in". The problem is we don't know who is the "good guy", nor do we know if the "good guy" will be relatively more amenable to US interests.

We've been supporting both good guys and bad guys in Africa for a long time now. The party of the good is now the party of the bad; and vice-versa. Don't fool yourself that we're actually involved in removing bad guys and installing good guys. Just look at Iraq.
 
Nice to see a snapshot of Quaddafi on the front of DRUDGE. I'm still waiting for spineless Obama to cough up a photo of Osama.
 
Perham,

There was a popular rebellion in place when the policy was enacted. The US and NATO, as far as I know, did not create the rebellion. The policy likely reduced the slaughter at the hands of Gaddafi's technologically superior regular forces which was the goal as stated by the President.

Gaddafi was a known bad man who had a hand in terrorist acts specifically directed at Americans. We punished him with the Reagan air raids, but that does not persuade me to support the reign of the madman.

Of course, there is doubt about who will replace him. I'm not so naive as to believe a Western democracy will suddenly flourish in that desert. We limited Gaddafi's ability to kill his own citizens and he will now be replaced by someone who may be better.

We likely have at least some goodwill with whomever rises to power due to NATO's support of the rebellion. I don't see this as anything but a net gain.

As for the preference of a clean end to a tyrant versus a trial of said tyrant, we will just have to agree to disagree.
 
I think it is funny how Quadaffi(sp) turned in all his nuclear ingredients when we went into Iraq. He also met obligations to get off the terror watch list.

I wonder why we are not questioning getting rid of the devil we know vs. the devil we don't?
 
We likely have at least some goodwill with whomever rises to power due to NATO's support of the rebellion. I don't see this as anything but a net gain.

"Some" goodwill is "nothing but a net gain"? Really? This is little more than a male version of bunny rabbits and pink unicorns.

I'm not necessarily antagonistic toward your views, but I find you (like most) to be abysmally myopic when it comes to foreign policy (especially middle east) realpolitik.

First, of course the "goal" as espoused by our President will be couched in terms of human life. But the real goal is how the regime change affects the long-term US relationship not only to LIbya now, but to Libya in the future and to the region (both now and later).

The fact is we (the US) are involved in those countries. Maybe a little, maybe more than a little, But we are there. And our presence is not predicated on "helping" them. That is a nice byproduct when it can be arranged, of course, and it's always a good PR ploy to use, but we have to be ruthless in assessing the situation.

So Gaddafi "terrorized" the US? So what? He merely joins a long list of scumbag dictators who did the same thing. As if that's a reason to kick him to the curb. I admit, it's a strong emotional plea and plays well in Peoria (and hornfans, too) but we have to look at the (very) big picture.

The only thing we can say about Gadaffi's death with any certainty is that it's a good thing we (US) didn't directly kill him. Other than that, from a strategic viewpoint, we just don't know. If you can't see that then I think your analysis is short-sighted.
 
I see helping the people of Libya as a safe play.

They were going to give him serious hell, anyway, and there was a serious question as to whether his regime was viable long term. We rolled with moving past him, with the current of the 'Arab Spring,' and with the hope that doing so will give us leverage with the next wave of leadership.

Guarantees aren't part of the formula.

There is a reason that we went to bat in Libya on the grounds of saving human life but have been in no hurry to put forth that kind of effort in Syria, where the despotism and violence against the opposition is just as bad, if not markedly worse, than it was under Quaddafi.

By the way, **** Quaddafi. He rolled the dice and crapped out. **** him in the eye.

I'll one day be glad to read about Assad's carcass being dragged through the streets.
 
We don't have any troops there that we can't just take out of there. Please don't try to tell me you think this is comparable to the Iraq invasion.

We're not an occupying army in Libya.
 
It is amazing to see partisanship cause some on this BBS to greet the removal of Khadaffy ----- which has been a foreign policy aim for the U.S. for 25-30 years, to include during the Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II administrations (i.e. Republicans AND Democrats) ----- as something bad or something that's possibly bad.
 

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