For Real ....Herman “IS” Done!!!

[Joe Fan]

... Mack Brown and Barry Switzer were both excellent salesmen and extremely charismatic.....

Mack is a real estate salesman or maybe a corporate recruiter.

Barry a crack dealer on the street corner, or maybe offering to sell you a rusty rocket launcher from under a tarp in the back of his van, which he sleeps in down by the river.

 

[majorfan2005]

Major, he didn’t finish because his arm was a noodle. Completely numb. No feeling. He couldn’t throw the ball 5 feet...

That’s exactly what I mean. The Alabama helmet in the shoulder made sure Colt wouldn’t finish.

 

[Chop]

Ray Tanner isn't dealing with a huge budget, but he didn't call CDC to ask how much we'd pay of Herman's salary, saving Tanner $6 million a year. That's Herman's value on the open market.

And he’s worth every penny of it...

 

[LonghornCatholic]

What do you think of this? Herman was reportedly interested in South Carolina job? And if true, do you blame him?

Michelle tweeted that this is false but if he indeed reached out to the Cocks, could that be a violation of his contract?

 

[cnb]

Michelle tweeted that this is false but if he indeed reached out to the Cocks, could that be a violation of his contract?

The story is starting to gather steam. We'll know shortly if true.

 

[cnb]

Michelle tweeted that this is false but if he indeed reached out to the Cocks, could that be a violation of his contract?

If he leaves we're off the hook for a buyout.
CDC's weekend announcement makes more sense now.

 

[horninchicago]

Herman is a dud but who do you replace him with? Another “up and coming”coach? Texas has tried that twice without success. Plus with his huge and foolishly extended contract, is there big money support to can him not for a proven name but for another spin of the roulette wheel?

Any new hire you would have to keep for at least 3 years, so you’re stuck with them for awhile regardless of how well they do or don’t.

I think Texas is stuck with him till next year, which should be a long job interview for the next coach.

But yeah, in this scenario don’t expect much out of a Texas team already needing a major replacement of key positions, with a Dead Man Walking coach.

I'll say again for me that if not for the comments against the fans and had he told the players to speak their minds outside of football, then I wouldn't be on the tear to see his *** gone. So, I couldn't care less if another up and comer is all they can find.

Let's face it, the Meyer debacle and embarrassment has shown that we Texas fans are as delusional as aggies. Well, except they now seem to have a good coach and team while Texas sucks ***. Texas can't hire a top coach. It will be another up and comer.

 

[dukesteer]

That’s exactly what I mean. The Alabama helmet in the shoulder made sure Colt wouldn’t finish.

Major, as Colt said after the game and has since, he had received that hit many times prior in his career.

I don’t believe that Bama was intentionally trying to hurt him. I also believe that the play call was unwise. It unnecessarily exposed Colt. I also think that the hit he took in the KSU game — on a QB sneak at the goal line — when he was a freshman, created a nerve vulnerability that manifested when he took the hit in the NC game.

 

[majorfan2005]

Major, as Colt said after the game and has since, he had received that hit many times prior in his career.

I don’t believe that Bama was intentionally trying to hurt him. I also believe that the play call was unwise. It unnecessarily exposed Colt. I also think that the hit he took in the KSU game — on a QB sneak at the goal line — when he was a freshman, created a nerve vulnerability that manifested when he took the hit in the NC game.

His shoulder was already hurt and everyone knew it. That wasn’t a normal tackle unless you think the smart tackle is to spear the shoulder rather than tackle the waist or legs. He had a clear path to decide what tackle to make.

 

[dukesteer]

His shoulder was already hurt and everyone knew it. That wasn’t a normal tackle unless you think the smart tackle is to spear the shoulder rather than tackle the waist or legs. He had a clear path to decide what tackle to make.

We will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[majorfan2005]

We will just have to agree to disagree.

2nd view (from behind Colt) in slow motion proves my point. Colt was even trying to turn away (twist to his left). The tackler put his hands down at Colt’s waist but puts his head directly into Colt’s shoulder. Tackler even pointed beyond Colt’s center to be sure to hit the target. The arm at the waist was so he didn’t screw up and lose the tackle altogether going for the shoulder.

 

[MajorRules00]

Michelle tweeted that this is false but if he indeed reached out to the Cocks, could that be a violation of his contract?

I would chalk that up to SEC propaganda. "Even Texas' coach wants the job...but they turned him down."

 

[MajorRules00]

I'll say again for me that if not for the comments against the fans and had he told the players to speak their minds outside of football, then I wouldn't be on the tear to see his *** gone. So, I couldn't care less if another up and comer is all they can find.

Let's face it, the Meyer debacle and embarrassment has shown that we Texas fans are as delusional as aggies. Well, except they now seem to have a good coach and team while Texas sucks ***. Texas can't hire a top coach. It will be another up and comer.

Yep. Coach put most of the heat on himself in June.

 

[AC]

TH May be here for the bowl game but immediately afterwards, he’s got to go. He’s lost the whole team. Texas cannot afford to give him another year, IMHO. Too expensive to keep. Even with the buyout. Id be good with Matt Campbell if we can’t get UM.

 

[cnb]

I would chalk that up to SEC propaganda. "Even Texas' coach wants the job...but they turned him down."

The South Carolina boards had the herman rumor there soon after Muschamp was fired.

 

[MajorRules00]

The South Carolina boards had the herman rumor there soon after Muschamp was fired.

I never underestimate the SEC's interest in us. IMO their long-term goal is to have Texas in the SEC. The amount of cash that would generate would be beyond insane.

 

[dukesteer]

If he leaves we're off the hook for a buyout.
CDC' weekend announcement makes mores sense now.

cnb, I think you’re onto something that hadn’t occurred to me until this evening.

I have been baffled as to why CDC had not terminated Herman. It made no sense to me, particularly given that the program is imploding. But as you alluded, if you fire Herman, you’re on the hook for the whole enchilada. If instead another school takes Herman off your hands, your loses could be cut substantially.

(The plot thickened when Auburn, a school with less resources, didn’t care about the money and fired a coach with a better track record than our guy has. That didn’t make Texas look good BTW.)

So, if as SabreHorn suggests, Herman’s market value is $6,000,000, then schools like Arizona, SC or Illinois could score a six million dollar man for half that much.

I have a feeling that SH knows more than he can share, and that maybe CDC has a plan. The Michelle Herman tweet tends to reinforce the theory IMO.

 

[SabreHorn]

The amount of cash that would generate would be beyond insane.

What is insane is anyone thinking joining the SEC would be positive for The University of Texas. I have posted over and over, that right now we only have to win OINE game, that is the second Saturday in October. Win that one and go to the playoffs. Move to the SEC, and then we have to beat Alabama, LSU, aTm, et al every damn year. That ain't happening, and if you think recruiting is **** now, wait until we lose to them every year.

What we need is a leader in Las Colinas, something we haven't had in years. Get us a commissioner, perhaps the man that was supposed to be our AD in 2014. That new leader needs to implement an edict that Chuckie NeinASS and KornFairy are prohibited from being allowed on any conference member's campus or telephone.

 

[SabreHorn]

So, if as SabreHorn suggests, Herman’s market value is $6,000,000, then schools like Arizona, SC or Illinois could score a six million dollar man for half that much.

It was never my intent to suggest that Tom Herman's market value was $6 million, but rather that his market value is ZERO! Suggesting that a school like South Carolina, which is cash strapped, would take him off our hands if he was free. They have admitted they took Shane Beamer because he was "cheap".

 

[MajorRules00]

What is insane is anyone thinking joining the SEC would be positive for The University of Texas. I have posted over and over, that right now we only have to win OINE game, that is the second Saturday in October. Win that one and go to the playoffs. Move to the SEC, and then we have to beat Alabama, LSU, aTm, et al every damn year. That ain't happening, and if you think recruiting is **** now, wait until we lose to them every year.

What we need is a leader in Las Colinas, something we haven't had in years. Get us a commissioner, perhaps the man that was supposed to be our AD in 2014. That new leader needs to implement an edict that Chuckie NeinASS and KornFairy are prohibited from being allowed on any conference member's campus or telephone.

If your goal is to keep the Big 12 together, I'd recommend keeping an eye on OU. Specifically, their annual total payout. Because if there is a significant pay-gap between them and the B1G and SEC schools, the sooners will be looking to jump ship in 2024.

 

[dukesteer]

It was never my intent to suggest that Tom Herman's market value was $6 million, but rather that his market value is ZERO! Suggesting that a school like South Carolina, which is cash strapped, would take him off our hands if he was free. They have admitted they took Shane Beamer because he was "cheap".

Sorry if I misunderstood your intent, but this is what I read:

...saving Tanner $6 million a year. That's Herman's value on the open market.

While I cannot stand Herman for what he has done to our program, I believe that he will have a successful coaching career after Texas, and likely at a Power 5 school.

 

[Chop]

Michelle tweeted that this is false but if he indeed reached out to the Cocks, could that be a violation of his contract?

Wait for the headline:

TOM HERMAN FIRED FOR SEEKING COCKS

 

[MajorRules00]

What is insane is anyone thinking joining the SEC would be positive for The University of Texas. I have posted over and over, that right now we only have to win OINE game, that is the second Saturday in October. Win that one and go to the playoffs. Move to the SEC, and then we have to beat Alabama, LSU, aTm, et al every damn year. That ain't happening, and if you think recruiting is **** now, wait until we lose to them every year.

What we need is a leader in Las Colinas, something we haven't had in years. Get us a commissioner, perhaps the man that was supposed to be our AD in 2014. That new leader needs to implement an edict that Chuckie NeinASS and KornFairy are prohibited from being allowed on any conference member's campus or telephone.

Also, about recruiting: any theoretical move to the SEC would likely boost our recruiting. First, any kid who came to play at UT would know that they would be facing LSU, aggy, Ole Miss, etc. every year. With frequent games against Bama, Florida, Auburn, etc. To say that would be appealing to high schoolers is the understatement of the century.

Second, and perhaps more importantly, there wouldn't be nearly as many local competitors for recruits. Locally, it would be aggy and Ou. And that's it. Schools like TCU, OSU, Baylor, etc. would be afterthoughts. The entire State of Texas would, from that point, funnel into us, aggy and the damnsooners.

I don't see it as a very likely outcome for us to go there. Mostly because it would lead to a loss of control. But to suggest that we'd somehow become a perpetual doormat in that league is a bit ridiculous. History says that we tend to play to the level of our competition. Iron sharpens iron...

 

[SabreHorn]

I have never given Mack Brown much credit BUT he did show that the recruiting doors to the state can be sealed from out of state schools. Most of their successes came late in his tenure and with kids that he was too lazy to go after, OR "No, he's a turd", as I was told about one QB.

 

[cnb]

cnb, I think you’re onto something that hadn’t occurred to me until this evening.

I have been baffled as to why CDC had not terminated Herman. It made no sense to me, particularly given that the program is imploding. But as you alluded, if you fire Herman, you’re on the hook for the whole enchilada. If instead another school takes Herman off your hands, your loses could be cut substantially.

(The plot thickened when Auburn, a school with less resources, didn’t care about the money and fired a coach with a better track record than our guy has. That didn’t make Texas look good BTW.)

So, if as SabreHorn suggests, Herman’s market value is $6,000,000, then schools like Arizona, SC or Illinois could score a six million dollar man for half that much.

I have a feeling that SH knows more than he can share, and that maybe CDC has a plan. The Michelle Herman tweet tends to reinforce the theory IMO.

It could well be herman was/ is looking for a soft landing somewhere.

 

[dukesteer]

To me there is a fools gold aspect to the SEC. Outside of one school, they have not been particularly dominant in the recent past. True, LSU was a special team in 2019 but it’s really Alabama, and Saban, that is responsible for the perceived dominance. It is also ESPN with its huge vested interest that pushes the superiority narrative, ad nauseam.

The PAC has been down because USC has temporarily disappeared. That probably won’t last.

The Big 10 has taken a perception hit because of Michigan’s underperformance for many years. So it’s Ohio State and everyone else.

The Big 12 is not highly esteemed because we have under performed for a decade.

Texas kids care less about joining an SEC team than they do about joining a winning program. Bring back that perception here, at Texas, and we will again get more than our fair share of the talent.

 

[MajorRules00]

To me there is a fools gold aspect to the SEC. Outside of one school, they have not been particularly dominant in the recent past. True, LSU was a special team in 2019 but it’s really Alabama, and Saban, that is responsible for the perceived dominance. It is also ESPN with its huge vested interest that pushes the superiority narrative, ad nauseam.

The PAC has been down because USC has temporarily disappeared. That probably won’t last.

The Big 10 has taken a perception hit because of Michigan’s underperformance for many years. So it’s Ohio State and everyone else.

The Big 12 is not highly esteemed because we have under performed for a decade.

Texas kids care less about joining an SEC team than they do about joining a winning program. Bring back that perception here, at Texas, and we will again get more than our fair share of the talent.

I think there's a lot of truth in your post. Specifically, about perception becoming reality. There's no doubt that some leagues get the perception rub and others don't.

In terms of quality, the B12 is actually a very tough league. It's very difficult to make it through this league undefeated. Especially with the round-robin schedule. Ironically, though, it's often viewed as a half-step down from the B1G and SEC.

IMO, in addition to looking after our own program, I recommend the Big 12 push HARD for USC to join. They are openly unhappy with the Pac, and are in a similar situation as UT as far as program stagnation.

With B12 tv contracts coming up in 2025, and CBS not having any CFB to work with after the SEC left for Disney, I think a Big 12 featuring Texas, USC, Oklahoma, and a few others would be very attractive for broadcasters. And players. And fans.

The perception of that kind of B12 would be outrageously good. And the money would likely be outstanding as well.

 

[dukesteer]

I think there's a lot of truth in your post. Specifically, about perception becoming reality. There's no doubt that some leagues get the perception rub and others don't.

In terms of quality, the B12 is actually a very tough league. It's very difficult to make it through this league undefeated. Especially with the round-robin schedule. Ironically, though, it's often viewed as a half-step down from the B1G and SEC.

IMO, in addition to looking after our own program, I recommend the Big 12 push HARD for USC to join. They are openly unhappy with the Pac, and are in a similar situation as UT as far as program stagnation.

With B12 tv contracts coming up in 2025, and CBS not having any CFB to work with after the SEC left for Disney, I think a Big 12 featuring Texas, USC, Oklahoma, and a few others would be very attractive for broadcasters. And players. And fans.

The perception of that kind of B12 would be outrageously good. And the money would likely be outstanding as well.

Completely agree. And money does talk, loudly.

Man would I love to see USC join the Big 12 but I just don’t believe it’s in the cards. Lots of posturing but that’s about it.

 

[Run Pincher]

I have never given Mack Brown much credit BUT he did show that the recruiting doors to the state can be sealed from out of state schools. Most of their successes came late in his tenure and with kids that he was too lazy to go after, OR "No, he's a turd", as I was told about one QB.

Yes, but aggie wasn't in the SEC. aggie moving to the SEC opened the floodgates, and it wasn't necessarily to their benefit. It's benefitted bama & LSU more. Because they want to play in a winning program and are constantly sold the "who wouldn't want to play in the best conference in the country" mantra. And of course I'm sure there's $ under the table too, which Texas is not going to compete with.

 

[Run Pincher]

Completely agree. And money does talk, loudly.

Man would I love to see USC join the Big 12 but I just don’t believe it’s in the cards. Lots of posturing but that’s about it.

All those 4-5 hr flights for teams that play a lot more games than FB aren't going to happen. Especially in the current environment.