For Real ....Herman “IS” Done!!!

Bobby Burton as of yesterday - "watered down."

It doesnt sound like CDC is going to be allowed to make this decision on his own. I hope we do not learn later that the involvement of the academic side is what kept us from landing Meyer -- a 2020 version of The Saban Experience

While there was a public statement of support for coach Tom Herman put forth over the weekend by Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte, high-ranking officials at the University continue to consider various coaching options and are resolved to hold a more thorough coaching search following conference championship games that are to be played this weekend, going possibly until the end of bowl season and the NFL regular season, according to two different sources within the university.

“This is not over, not at all,” one university official said of the coaching situation yesterday. A second official told Inside Texas that Del Conte made a mistake in releasing the show of support and that the final statement was “watered down” by other officials.

Inside Texas continues to report that Del Conte will not make the decision of Herman’s future in a silo, nor even have the largest sway in the decision to replace him. Instead, it is a group of three, including university president Jay Hartzell and board of regents chairman Kevin Eltife, along with Del Conte.

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While Del Conte has privately bemoaned the amount of money it would take to change coaches .... Yesterday, Auburn decided to terminate its coach, Gus Malzahn, who is owed a $22 million buyout.
.... the money is there for the Longhorns to change coaches.
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Joe Fan said:
Bobby Burton as of yesterday - "watered down."

It doesnt sound like CDC is going to be allowed to make this decision on his own. I hope we do not learn later that the involvement of the academic side is what kept us from landing Meyer -- a 2020 version of The Saban Experience

While there was a public statement of support for coach Tom Herman put forth over the weekend by Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte, high-ranking officials at the University continue to consider various coaching options and are resolved to hold a more thorough coaching search following conference championship games that are to be played this weekend, going possibly until the end of bowl season and the NFL regular season, according to two different sources within the university.

“This is not over, not at all,” one university official said of the coaching situation yesterday. A second official told Inside Texas that Del Conte made a mistake in releasing the show of support and that the final statement was “watered down” by other officials.

Inside Texas continues to report that Del Conte will not make the decision of Herman’s future in a silo, nor even have the largest sway in the decision to replace him. Instead, it is a group of three, including university president Jay Hartzell and board of regents chairman Kevin Eltife, along with Del Conte.

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While Del Conte has privately bemoaned the amount of money it would take to change coaches .... Yesterday, Auburn decided to terminate its coach, Gus Malzahn, who is owed a $22 million buyout.
.... the money is there for the Longhorns to change coaches.
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If Meyer was the only candidate worth the cost of firing Herman who the hell is Burton talking about? AD's don't hire and fire coaches. Boosters do so the "not CDC decision alone" is a waste of bandwidth. I see no way Meyer changes his mind. Who the hell is worth eating Herman's buyout?
 
Joe Fan said:
Bobby Burton as of yesterday - "watered down."

It doesnt sound like CDC is going to be allowed to make this decision on his own. I hope we do not learn later that the involvement of the academic side is what kept us from landing Meyer -- a 2020 version of The Saban Experience

While there was a public statement of support for coach Tom Herman put forth over the weekend by Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte, high-ranking officials at the University continue to consider various coaching options and are resolved to hold a more thorough coaching search following conference championship games that are to be played this weekend, going possibly until the end of bowl season and the NFL regular season, according to two different sources within the university.

“This is not over, not at all,” one university official said of the coaching situation yesterday. A second official told Inside Texas that Del Conte made a mistake in releasing the show of support and that the final statement was “watered down” by other officials.

Inside Texas continues to report that Del Conte will not make the decision of Herman’s future in a silo, nor even have the largest sway in the decision to replace him. Instead, it is a group of three, including university president Jay Hartzell and board of regents chairman Kevin Eltife, along with Del Conte.

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While Del Conte has privately bemoaned the amount of money it would take to change coaches .... Yesterday, Auburn decided to terminate its coach, Gus Malzahn, who is owed a $22 million buyout.
.... the money is there for the Longhorns to change coaches.
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I_Dont_Exist said:
If Meyer was the only candidate worth the cost of firing Herman who the hell is Burton talking about? AD's don't hire and fire coaches. Boosters do so the "not CDC decision alone" is a waste of bandwidth. I see no way Meyer changes his mind. Who the hell is worth eating Herman's buyout?
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All I know is it is getting easier and easier to see and understand -as though it were ever really that hard- that the biggest part of the problem for UT football is in the power and decision making structure. The egos, self gratification, self importance, and desire to control for one's own selfish motives reverberates throughout the admin, boosters, campus, academic, and football program.....and...guess what?? The players feed off of it too...
You can't have a broken, dysfunctional, counterproductive leadership, power, and decision making structure and it not reflect on the field.(see Dallas Cowboys) That is naive. Bottom line...as others have said....many other schools are built much better for football success and it shows on the field of play. Too bad so many people that are loathed by hornfans have been proven right in their comments about the school, it's leadership, fans, and the program itself.
I don't know what more can be said that hasn't already been both said and made self-evident.
 
RainH2burntO said:
the biggest part of the problem for UT football is in the power and decision making structure. The egos, self gratification, self importance, and desire to control for one's own selfish motives reverberates throughout the admin, boosters, campus, academic, and football program
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This.
 
NFL coaches to the college ranks:

Pros: Position and coordinating experts. Frequently among the best in the business at the Xs and Os. Handles pressure very well. Puts up with minimal bullsh!t. Commands respect.

Cons: Far removed from recruiting. Often not good at recruiting. Not adept at fan and alumni relations. Overinflated egos.

A few notable examples: Sherman (among the best OL coaches alive; very mediocre college HC). Mackovic (offensive wizard; hated by players and many boosters).
 
Ok so as long as we are speculating, my guess, not leak, is that the two possible (likely)choices are Sarkisian and a pro coach, probably Kubiak. My guess is that Sarkisian is not acceptable to the folks that don't work with people thank drink whiskey (academics) and some football boosters are concerned about recruiting with a pro coach even though Kubiak is a very likable guy and good coach. My gut tells me Urban is (mostly) off the table because of not enough interest or opposition by academic types and whiskey intolerants.

The names from the college ranks just don't say home run other than Sark and other than Kubiak and maybe a pro coach that really wants to coach UT and probably has all the money he already needs, I don't see many options. frankly we should be looking for desire and skill more than enough money to make someone give a hoot about the job.

Other than Hartzell, the academics need to go back to sipping spritzers, researching racism in the donut industry and completely stay out of football and away from The Eyes.
 
Joe Fan said:
I would not take the job under those circumstances, if true

And CDC did make all the hires himself at his previous gig
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Easy to say when you're not a candidate in the first place. Is this your
Joe Fan said:
I could wake up naked and hungover in the middle of the National Mall in Washington, DC during peak tourist season and still make a better hiring decision than Charlie Strong before I had even one sip of coffee
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Congratulations. Had no idea you were capable of making such an irrelevant point.
 
Joe Fan said:
I could wake up naked and hungover in the middle of the National Mall in Washington, DC during peak tourist season and still make a better hiring decision than Charlie Strong before I had even one sip of coffee
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All you would have had to do in that particular instance is say "let's keep Mack"! We already had one of the best coaches in the country. Mack was a proven winner with a NC under his belt, you know, kind of like we're searching for right now. He also got along with everybody and didn't embarrass the University.
 
Clean said:
All you would have had to do in that particular instance is say "let's keep Mack"! We already had one of the best coaches in the country. Mack was a proven winner with a NC under his belt, you know, kind of like we're searching for right now. He also got along with everybody and didn't embarrass the University.
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I would not have done that naked and hungover, or sober and nattily attired
 
Clean said:
North Carolina says hello.
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They are 8-3 including losses to a bad 3-6 FSU team and 5-5 Virginia
We are 6-3 (likely 7-3 with Kansas)
So hello to 1970s tuxedo blue, I guess
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ps -UNC was 7-6 in 2019, after winning the Military Bowl
 
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Let's be honest I think we all would like to have Mack right now. NC coach, great recruiter, and a diplomat. But I am sure he is happy where he is.
We didn't know how good we had it when Mack was walking our sidelines.:facepalm:
 
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Pomspoms said:
Let's be honest I think we all would like to have Mack right now. NC coach, great recruiter, and a diplomat. But I am sure he is happy where he is.
We didn't know how good we had it when Mack was walking our sidelines.:facepalm:
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I believe there was a significant change in MB after Alabama loss and he failed miserably from that point forward. His recruiting looked good because if he recruited them they must be, but his choices for coordinators and coaches in waiting were jokes at the time. he should have graciously accepted the AD position or AD in waiting and let the Boosters take a clean swing at Sabin. Instead he helped destroy the football and athletic program for years (and continuing). No thanks, MB back would scare me to death.
 
Pomspoms said:
Let's be honest I think we all would like to have Mack right now. NC coach, great recruiter, and a diplomat. But I am sure he is happy where he is.
We didn't know how good we had it when Mack was walking our sidelines.:facepalm:
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In 16 seasons at Texas, Mack Brown won just two Big 12 Championships
Mack was 6-9 against ou (5-9 vs. Bob Stoops head up)
He played ou 9 times when they were in the top 10, Mack beat them once (1-8)
Against all top 10 teams -- Mack went 10-18 (35.7%)*



*for the sake of a contrast, Fred Akers went 13-8-1 vs. top 10 ranked teams and that includes his final 3 years which were not as good as his early years
 
Joe Fan said:
In 16 seasons at Texas, Mack Brown won just two Big 12 Championships
Mack was 6-9 against ou (5-9 vs. Bob Stoops head up)
He played ou 9 times when they were in the top 10, Mack beat them once (1-8)
Against all top 10 teams -- Mack went 10-18 (35.7%)*



*for the sake of a contrast, Fred Akers went 13-8-1 vs. top 10 ranked teams and that includes his final 3 years which were not as good as his early years
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AGREED and if Herman or anyone else had the same record they would have been asked to leave. People liked MB so he is viewed differently and cut him slack. True really in all businesses. Tom gets no slack because he is an A$$ hat and he thumbs his nose at the EOT. Simple.
 
Joe Fan said:
I could wake up naked and hungover in the middle of the National Mall in Washington, DC during peak tourist season and still make a better hiring decision than Charlie Strong before I had even one sip of coffee
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I'll chip in for a rave marker for Billie Powers with that on it

Joe Fan said:
*for the sake of a contrast, Fred Akers went 13-8-1 vs. top 10 ranked teams and that includes his final 3 years which were not as good as his early years
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Joe, I think you will find Fred was closer to 26-8-1 against ranked teams. Used to use that in my recruiting letters.
 
Joe Fan said:
In 16 seasons at Texas, Mack Brown won just two Big 12 Championships
Mack was 6-9 against ou (5-9 vs. Bob Stoops head up)
He played ou 9 times when they were in the top 10, Mack beat them once (1-8)
Against all top 10 teams -- Mack went 10-18 (35.7%)*



*for the sake of a contrast, Fred Akers went 13-8-1 vs. top 10 ranked teams and that includes his final 3 years which were not as good as his early years
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Well I guess we can be a glass half full or a glass half empty judge of of Mack's tenure. I kinda like 9 consecutive seasons of ten wins and two championship appearances winning one and could easily have another but for Colt's injury. And then there's the dropped interception that could have gotten us there. Plus not to mention how Mack represented the university as model diplomat and spokesman. Recruits were more likely to stay in state than to sprint out of state. True Mack couldn't win everything like on the level of Saban and Dabo, but he had us knocking on the door. We could at least sniff it. We are not even close in the last seven seasons.
 
LonghornDave said:
I believe there was a significant change in MB after Alabama loss and he failed miserably from that point forward. His recruiting looked good because if he recruited them they must be, but his choices for coordinators and coaches in waiting were jokes at the time. he should have graciously accepted the AD position or AD in waiting and let the Boosters take a clean swing at Sabin. Instead he helped destroy the football and athletic program for years (and continuing). No thanks, MB back would scare me to death.
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You're right. Mack had a nervous breakdown after the Bama loss. He was never the same after that game.
 
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