Exec Action on Immigration - What's the End Game?
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As a humanitarian gesture, I have no problem with it, but there is also the labor aspect and that really is bad. All the cruddy jobs I did to work my way through eleven years of college, grad school and law school are now held by foreigners. When I was working in the slaughterhouse, offshore, on farms and ranches and on construction crews the employees were all Americans. That was a long time ago.
Now you cannot get one of those jobs if you are an American.
Depressed wages means the lower economic orders stay that way.
The easy way out is to throw some of the employers in prison but the republicans don't want that because their base hires the aliens and the dems wont do it because they see all these people as future dem voters.
The gop will make a big show of opposing Obama and will crater after squeezing the maximum amount of political credit out of it. The American worker, who used to depend on the dems, will get hurt again.
It will be ok because the bankers, the construction companies, the hotel industry and the dining industries will continue to get cheap malleable labor.
Now you cannot get one of those jobs if you are an American.
Depressed wages means the lower economic orders stay that way.
The easy way out is to throw some of the employers in prison but the republicans don't want that because their base hires the aliens and the dems wont do it because they see all these people as future dem voters.
The gop will make a big show of opposing Obama and will crater after squeezing the maximum amount of political credit out of it. The American worker, who used to depend on the dems, will get hurt again.
It will be ok because the bankers, the construction companies, the hotel industry and the dining industries will continue to get cheap malleable labor.
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Hu_Fan
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The tax man cometh
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Hu_Fan
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Interesting piece in NY Times....
LINK Many of the gains made by advocates for immigrants to the United States were helped by hundreds of millions in donations from liberal foundations.
After a while, one thinks there has to be more to life than being preoccupied with such as this. At times, I see politics as just sapping the life out of the citizenry. It's like a plague, a virus, a sickness that just won't go away.
LINK Many of the gains made by advocates for immigrants to the United States were helped by hundreds of millions in donations from liberal foundations.
After a while, one thinks there has to be more to life than being preoccupied with such as this. At times, I see politics as just sapping the life out of the citizenry. It's like a plague, a virus, a sickness that just won't go away.
Obama's opinion about it does not bother me, but his blatant willingness to circumvent the constitution does. Even he is on video saying it would be illegal for him to act alone on immigration. In general, I want him to finish his term and use the new congress to get things done. However, if he follows through on his executive order, he needs to be impeached.
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......and so this nations march to become a third world nation continues.
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texas_ex2000
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Wash Post Oct 2014 - I am not on the ballot this fall. Michelle’s pretty happy about that. But make no mistake: these policies are on the ballot. Every single one of them.
Businessweek Feb 2010 - Obama responded (to the GOP): "Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won.
This guy waited until after the election to throw this out there. He knew this is would be unpopular. By his own words, his policies were on the ballot. He lost in red states, blue states, and purple states. They rejected his policies.
By his own convictions, elections have consequences.
So, let's just forget all that language about consequences. He's a lame duck that now can tell people what he really thinks. He's just a spurned lover...a Taylor Swift song...burning everything down around him since it's over.
Businessweek Feb 2010 - Obama responded (to the GOP): "Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won.
This guy waited until after the election to throw this out there. He knew this is would be unpopular. By his own words, his policies were on the ballot. He lost in red states, blue states, and purple states. They rejected his policies.
By his own convictions, elections have consequences.
So, let's just forget all that language about consequences. He's a lame duck that now can tell people what he really thinks. He's just a spurned lover...a Taylor Swift song...burning everything down around him since it's over.
If it is a good policy, then he should go through the proper way of enacting a law.
If he can use executive action to implement it, certainly another President can use executive action to end it?
And if this goes through, it will be even cheaper to get my lawn mowed and house cleaned. And before you freak about that being incredibly racist, I would say the same thing if 6 million unskilled green workers came in from Mars.
It seems odd that the same party that is trying to raise the minimum wage also seems to want to flood the market with more unskilled workers.
If he can use executive action to implement it, certainly another President can use executive action to end it?
And if this goes through, it will be even cheaper to get my lawn mowed and house cleaned. And before you freak about that being incredibly racist, I would say the same thing if 6 million unskilled green workers came in from Mars.
It seems odd that the same party that is trying to raise the minimum wage also seems to want to flood the market with more unskilled workers.
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Need to buy more stock in the company that makes anti theft automobile steering wheel clubs.
Obama doesn't want unskilled workers. It's just hard to keep them out. The skilled workers, some economist say, actually have skills so specialized they create unique productivity that benefits everybody in the US economy. Not everybody agrees. But a lot of big money donors in the tech industry benefit by letting bright/productive/well educated immigrants stay. Bringing over their families is only humane and major quality of life issued for skilled medical professionals/tech guru/investment banker types.
Seattle Husker
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They are already here and not going home unless our economy tanks in relation to Central America. Why not get some legitimate tax revenue from them? Or are we worried they'll all qualify for the earned income tax credit?
texas_ex2000
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Interesting. Do you have any data on the number of skilled workers versus unskilled workers entering the U. S.?
The cost of illegal immigrant education in California is over $14B
Per year
As sick as this sounds, I'm surprised it's that low.
Agreed. Its worse than that. Check out:
http://www.sessions.senate.gov/publ...immigration-primer-for-the-114th-congress.pdf
"The [Immigration and Nationality Act] specifically states: ‘An alien who… is likely at any time to become a public charge is inadmissible.’ … We were thus shocked to discover that both the State Department and DHS exclude reliance on almost all governmental welfare programs when evaluating whether an alien is likely to become a public charge… Under your interpretation, an able-bodied immigrant of working age could receive the bulk of his or her income in the form of federal welfare and still not be deemed a ‘public charge.’"
DHS even has a website, WelcomeToUSA.gov, that features a page promoting welfare benefits to newly arrived immigrants. (Some of these benefits, under law, should automatically disqualify the applicants from entry into the U.S. The page even promotes free coverage under the President’s health law.)
The USDA has even produced and broadcast soap opera-like "radio novelas" featuring individuals who were pressured into accepting benefits despite insisting that government assistance was not needed. USDA has also entered into a partnership with Mexico to boost welfare enrollment among non-citizens. Thanks in part to such controversial tactics, food stamp usage among immigrants has quadrupled since 2001.
Against this backdrop, it should come as no surprise that an analysis by the Center for Immigration Services found that 36 percent of immigrant-headed households received at least one welfare benefit in 2010 (including public housing). The Heritage Foundation’s Robert Rector offered this mathematical analysis in 2007: "On average, low-skill immigrant families receive $30,160 per year in government benefits and services while paying $10,573
in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of $19,587 that has to be paid by higher-income taxpayers… It takes the entire net tax payments (taxes paid minus benefits received) of one college-educated family to pay for the net benefits received by one low-skill immigrant family."
Obama has a funny way of showing he doesn't want low skilled workers.
http://www.sessions.senate.gov/publ...immigration-primer-for-the-114th-congress.pdf
"The [Immigration and Nationality Act] specifically states: ‘An alien who… is likely at any time to become a public charge is inadmissible.’ … We were thus shocked to discover that both the State Department and DHS exclude reliance on almost all governmental welfare programs when evaluating whether an alien is likely to become a public charge… Under your interpretation, an able-bodied immigrant of working age could receive the bulk of his or her income in the form of federal welfare and still not be deemed a ‘public charge.’"
DHS even has a website, WelcomeToUSA.gov, that features a page promoting welfare benefits to newly arrived immigrants. (Some of these benefits, under law, should automatically disqualify the applicants from entry into the U.S. The page even promotes free coverage under the President’s health law.)
The USDA has even produced and broadcast soap opera-like "radio novelas" featuring individuals who were pressured into accepting benefits despite insisting that government assistance was not needed. USDA has also entered into a partnership with Mexico to boost welfare enrollment among non-citizens. Thanks in part to such controversial tactics, food stamp usage among immigrants has quadrupled since 2001.
Against this backdrop, it should come as no surprise that an analysis by the Center for Immigration Services found that 36 percent of immigrant-headed households received at least one welfare benefit in 2010 (including public housing). The Heritage Foundation’s Robert Rector offered this mathematical analysis in 2007: "On average, low-skill immigrant families receive $30,160 per year in government benefits and services while paying $10,573
in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of $19,587 that has to be paid by higher-income taxpayers… It takes the entire net tax payments (taxes paid minus benefits received) of one college-educated family to pay for the net benefits received by one low-skill immigrant family."
Obama has a funny way of showing he doesn't want low skilled workers.
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Brad Austin
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Obama's whole argument about his taking action into his own hands has zero logical basis. He claimed over and over that since Congress has failed to act, he must.
Act on what? Immigration laws are already on the books. Anyone who illegally enters the country gets deported...bottom line.
Congress is not failing to act, the President is refusing to enforce our laws because he disagrees with them. It's illegal for the Prez to refuse to enforce laws (or in this case allow sanctuaries purposely breaking these laws) to fit his agenda.
His freakin' job is to enforce all American laws passed by the representatives of the people in order to protect American citizens.
If he wants new ones, the Dems must win Congressional majority and pass them. That's the process set up by the separation of powers to avoid this Dictatorial style of rule.
How would Mexico treat an American who illegally crosses over and hangs out without authorization? Once caught we'd be jailed and then booted. Same with Canada.
This whole debate is bs. There is a legal immigration system for damn good reasons.
They go through criminal background checks, register with the Gov, make payments to earn the right to be here, and also pay into the system in which they enjoy the infrastructure and perks of American living that citizens and their relatives paid countless $1,000's in taxes to build.
None of this Lib push for amnesty has anything to do with being humanitarian to illegals or helping American citizens, it's all about expanding the voting base far beyond the Reps so they will retain power as much as possible in the future.
Let a poll of millions of illegals show 70% prefer the Rep party, Clinton's amnesty push would whither and die in weeks.
The new ultra radical Liberal agenda is as anti-American as has ever been in the history of the two parties.
It's sickening how our Constitution is being shredded and working class Americans are being gutted to fund non-contributors (legal and illegal) to solidify the Lib power grab.
As long as illegals aren't taking their jobs and living in their neighborhoods...as long as they're protected by armed security, and their children are not getting raped and shot...guns for citizen protection are bad, amnesty is good for America. Same exact policies have already ruined Germany forever.
Act on what? Immigration laws are already on the books. Anyone who illegally enters the country gets deported...bottom line.
Congress is not failing to act, the President is refusing to enforce our laws because he disagrees with them. It's illegal for the Prez to refuse to enforce laws (or in this case allow sanctuaries purposely breaking these laws) to fit his agenda.
His freakin' job is to enforce all American laws passed by the representatives of the people in order to protect American citizens.
If he wants new ones, the Dems must win Congressional majority and pass them. That's the process set up by the separation of powers to avoid this Dictatorial style of rule.
How would Mexico treat an American who illegally crosses over and hangs out without authorization? Once caught we'd be jailed and then booted. Same with Canada.
This whole debate is bs. There is a legal immigration system for damn good reasons.
They go through criminal background checks, register with the Gov, make payments to earn the right to be here, and also pay into the system in which they enjoy the infrastructure and perks of American living that citizens and their relatives paid countless $1,000's in taxes to build.
None of this Lib push for amnesty has anything to do with being humanitarian to illegals or helping American citizens, it's all about expanding the voting base far beyond the Reps so they will retain power as much as possible in the future.
Let a poll of millions of illegals show 70% prefer the Rep party, Clinton's amnesty push would whither and die in weeks.
The new ultra radical Liberal agenda is as anti-American as has ever been in the history of the two parties.
It's sickening how our Constitution is being shredded and working class Americans are being gutted to fund non-contributors (legal and illegal) to solidify the Lib power grab.
As long as illegals aren't taking their jobs and living in their neighborhoods...as long as they're protected by armed security, and their children are not getting raped and shot...guns for citizen protection are bad, amnesty is good for America. Same exact policies have already ruined Germany forever.
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Exactly!!
Seattle Husker
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That may be true for some of the party elite but at the ground level it's all about the "bleeding hearts".
Brad Austin
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I'll agree with that statement, concerning some lower level leaders who work alongside their community.
Unfortunately this portion of less powerful figures in which some mean well (on both sides) are puppets of the corrupt elite and will follow any directive given.
Then again it's hard to read about citizens killed/raped by illegals in Cali and see their lower level politicians shrug and reaffirm they still won't honor ICE requests to take custody of criminal illegals.
Another example is Kate's law...no politician who opposes something so absurdly common sense like that could ever say they mean well.
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