Everything's Gonna be all White

[utahorn]

Everything's Gonna Be All White (TV Mini Series 2022) - IMDb

Anyone see this on Showtime? Why do we need this poison? How does this help anyone? Except, of course for the Producers, Director and Writers who were probably well paid for doing what DJT was accused of; Dividing America.

I am not in favor of hiding or whitewashing the past, but every country has a past, not just the US. The U.S. bashing is tiresome. We need unity and support, not division and hate.

You have two options, Live in the Past or Make the Here and Now and the Future Better. This show has chosen the former.

Check out the reviews. 1.0 out of 10.

 

[Monahorns]

Critical race theory has already taken over a large portion of our society. It has infected one of the major political parties. The source is found in university education and English departments. It infected the entertainment industry at least as late as 2016. It infected all major corporations as late as May 2020. We are in the middle of a Mao style Cultural Revolution, and at least half of our society has already fallen. We are in the middle of the fight and the only chance to win to not give up one more inch.

 

[Mr. Deez]

And I always love how the anti-American crap is treated as edgy or teaching the "real history" that traditional history classes left out. In reality, teaching the bad things America did or tolerated is old hat. I went to school in the '80s and early '90s and learned about slavery, racism, Jim Crow, etc. That stuff was even condemned. The big shift isn't covering that stuff. It's framing it as the defining narrative of American history. The "modern" woke history is actually the narrower history.

 

[Seattle Husker]

And I always love how the anti-American crap is treated as edgy or teaching the "real history" that traditional history classes left out. In reality, teaching the bad things America did or tolerated is old hat. I went to school in the '80s and early '90s and learned about slavery, racism, Jim Crow, etc. That stuff was even condemned. The big shift isn't covering that stuff. It's framing it as the defining narrative of American history. The "modern" woke history is actually the narrower history.

First, I have not seen the show nor have Showtime to watch it.

I learned about slavery (Harriet Tubman) and Jim Crow (Emmitt Till) but the Tulsa Massacre was absent. Anyone else learn about that? Anyone learn about Redlining in major cities like Detroit in secondary school? If so, kudos to your history teachers because that was nowhere in a Nebraska or Washington curriculum that I remember.

Why do we need to acknowledge that many blacks were restricted from acquiring generational wealth? It's an underlying factor in subsequent generations landing in the "projects". We know wealth is the #1 factor in predicting health, education, and general measures of succeeding generational success. The chances that my sons are successful in life has a direct correlation to the wealth of my wife and I. Is it the only factor? Know. It is the difference between starting on 2nd base or home though.

What we all do with our advantages is entirely up to each of us. The goal isn't to have a 100% even playing field. There will ALWAYS be certain advantages. Still, awareness of the advantages is critical to ensure they aren't cemented for all eternity. Diversity in the board rooms is a good example. Without acknowledging that executives, CEOs, and Chair of the Board have an innate desire to surround themselves with those people they feel most comfortable with, we'd never be able to include more women and minorities. It's the unconscious bias that for decades impacted those populations ability to break into the board room. That's just one example.

Had to laugh at the picture of the CEO's meeting at the 2022 Munich Security Conference:

The question the left needs to address is how do you acknowledge the past, study it without it being a excuse for minorities and lower class individuals to not persevere and overcome whatever disadvantages they've been given.

 

[iatrogenic]

First, I have not seen the show nor have Showtime to watch it.

I learned about slavery (Harriet Tubman) and Jim Crow (Emmitt Till) but the Tulsa Massacre was absent. Anyone else learn about that? Anyone learn about Redlining in major cities like Detroit in secondary school? If so, kudos to your history teachers because that was nowhere in a Nebraska or Washington curriculum that I remember.

Why do we need to acknowledge that many blacks were restricted from acquiring generational wealth? It's an underlying factor in subsequent generations landing in the "projects". We know wealth is the #1 factor in predicting health, education, and general measures of succeeding generational success. The chances that my sons are successful in life has a direct correlation to the wealth of my wife and I. Is it the only factor? Know. It is the difference between starting on 2nd base or home though.

What we all do with our advantages is entirely up to each of us. The goal isn't to have a 100% even playing field. There will ALWAYS be certain advantages. Still, awareness of the advantages is critical to ensure they aren't cemented for all eternity. Diversity in the board rooms is a good example. Without acknowledging that executives, CEOs, and Chair of the Board have an innate desire to surround themselves with those people they feel most comfortable with, we'd never be able to include more women and minorities. It's the unconscious bias that for decades impacted those populations ability to break into the board room. That's just one example.

Had to laugh at the picture of the CEO's meeting at the 2022 Munich Security Conference:

The question the left needs to address is how do you acknowledge the past, study it without it being a excuse for minorities and lower class individuals to not persevere and overcome whatever disadvantages they've been given.

Now its my turn:

Above is a picture of the 1979-1980 Knicks. Note how the white guys only surrounded themselves with black players. The predominance of black players seems to be cemented in eternity. How can we acknowledge the unconscious bias of NBA coaches surrounding themselves with black players? If we don't acknowledge the coaches innate desire to surround themselves with blacks because that is what makes them feel more comfortable, we will never be able to include more whites, Asians and disabled folks on the hardwood. We have to recognize the unconscious bias the NBA owners have in favor of blacks, and against whites.

What we need to do is have a white quota in the NBA. We also need to make sure the player salaries between whites and blacks have no disparity. We need to make sure the white and black players have equal outcomes regardless of ability, effort, intelligence, conscientiousness, education, height, speed, ball handling, jumping ability, or shooting percentage. Whites have a generational disadvantage in that they do not benefit from selective breeding for physical attributes. We need to recognize the disadvantage, and we need to make sure it causes no difference in outcome. Only then will we achieve the NBA utopia we all wish to see.

Next, we can address the inequities in the masonry and plumbing industries, and how we can get women involved.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Now its my turn:

Above is a picture of the 1979-1980 Knicks. Note how the white guys only surrounded themselves with black players. The predominance of black players seems to be cemented in eternity. How can we acknowledge the unconscious bias of NBA coaches surrounding themselves with black players? If we don't acknowledge the coaches innate desire to surround themselves with blacks because that is what makes them feel more comfortable, we will never be able to include more whites, Asians and disabled folks on the hardwood. We have to recognize the unconscious bias the NBA owners have in favor of blacks, and against whites.

What we need to do is have a white quota in the NBA. We also need to make sure the player salaries between whites and blacks have no disparity. We need to make sure the white and black players have equal outcomes regardless of ability, effort, intelligence, conscientiousness, education, height, speed, ball handling, jumping ability, or shooting percentage. Whites have a generational disadvantage in that they do not benefit from selective breeding for physical attributes. We need to recognize the disadvantage, and we need to make sure it causes no difference in outcome. Only then will we achieve the NBA utopia we all wish to see.

Next, we can address the inequities in the masonry and plumbing industries, and how we can get women involved.

Thanks for going on record that Blacks are inferior in the corporate world. Not a surprise but I appreciate your transparency.

On a serious note, professional sports are pretty egalitarian. If you perform and aren't a PR challenge teams could care less about your ethnicity.

 

[iatrogenic]

Thanks for going on record that Blacks are inferior in the corporate world. Not a surprise but I appreciate your transparency.

On a serious note, professional sports are pretty egalitarian. If you perform and aren't a PR challenge teams could care less about your ethnicity.

And professional sports are somehow different than the corporate world? Wrong. Corporations are highly competitive institutions. However, that is irrelevant to your argument. You should believe that the roster of NBA teams should represent societal make-up in proportion to their population in America regardless of ability. They should all get paid equally regardless of merit because we can't have disparities. Anything less is just unconscious bias in favor of blacks.

Hey, be consistent in your argument. Have some values, even if they are wrong. Flip flopping back and forth weakens your argument, and you lose credibility.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

Hey, be consistent in your argument. Have some values, even if they are wrong. Flip flopping back and forth weakens your argument, and you lose credibility.

He did that years, if not decades, ago.

 

[nashhorn]

The goal isn't to have a 100% even playing field.

True.

 

[mb227]

Now its my turn:

Above is a picture of the 1979-1980 Knicks. Note how the white guys only surrounded themselves with black players. The predominance of black players seems to be cemented in eternity. How can we acknowledge the unconscious bias of NBA coaches surrounding themselves with black players? If we don't acknowledge the coaches innate desire to surround themselves with blacks because that is what makes them feel more comfortable, we will never be able to include more whites, Asians and disabled folks on the hardwood. We have to recognize the unconscious bias the NBA owners have in favor of blacks, and against whites.

What we need to do is have a white quota in the NBA. We also need to make sure the player salaries between whites and blacks have no disparity. We need to make sure the white and black players have equal outcomes regardless of ability, effort, intelligence, conscientiousness, education, height, speed, ball handling, jumping ability, or shooting percentage. Whites have a generational disadvantage in that they do not benefit from selective breeding for physical attributes. We need to recognize the disadvantage, and we need to make sure it causes no difference in outcome. Only then will we achieve the NBA utopia we all wish to see.

Next, we can address the inequities in the masonry and plumbing industries, and how we can get women involved.

There WAS a solution for that across several years in the 70's and into the 80's...it was called the Boston Celtics. Bastages were supposedly a decent team...I suppose it was the bias of the era that kept the masses from seeing them every night.

 

[OUBubba]

First, I have not seen the show nor have Showtime to watch it.

I learned about slavery (Harriet Tubman) and Jim Crow (Emmitt Till) but the Tulsa Massacre was absent. Anyone else learn about that? Anyone learn about Redlining in major cities like Detroit in secondary school? If so, kudos to your history teachers because that was nowhere in a Nebraska or Washington curriculum that I remember.

Why do we need to acknowledge that many blacks were restricted from acquiring generational wealth? It's an underlying factor in subsequent generations landing in the "projects". We know wealth is the #1 factor in predicting health, education, and general measures of succeeding generational success. The chances that my sons are successful in life has a direct correlation to the wealth of my wife and I. Is it the only factor? Know. It is the difference between starting on 2nd base or home though.

What we all do with our advantages is entirely up to each of us. The goal isn't to have a 100% even playing field. There will ALWAYS be certain advantages. Still, awareness of the advantages is critical to ensure they aren't cemented for all eternity. Diversity in the board rooms is a good example. Without acknowledging that executives, CEOs, and Chair of the Board have an innate desire to surround themselves with those people they feel most comfortable with, we'd never be able to include more women and minorities. It's the unconscious bias that for decades impacted those populations ability to break into the board room. That's just one example.

Had to laugh at the picture of the CEO's meeting at the 2022 Munich Security Conference:

The question the left needs to address is how do you acknowledge the past, study it without it being a excuse for minorities and lower class individuals to not persevere and overcome whatever disadvantages they've been given.

I grew up with Tulsa as my place to go do the fancy things and go to Sam's. It's been that way except for the 8 years I was in the OKC area. I've been to the Greenwood district more than a few times. It took The Watchman on HBO to get me to read up on what actually took place to the Black Wall Street. It took me working for the actual Cherokee Nation to learn that Andrew Jackson ignored the order of the Supreme Court in Cherokee Nation v. Georgia and that Daniel Boone told people to get bent over the general issue and went to Texas. A sad statement on Oklahoma History that I took in school.

 

[BrntOrngStmpeDe]

First, I have not seen the show nor have Showtime to watch it.

I learned about slavery (Harriet Tubman) and Jim Crow (Emmitt Till) but the Tulsa Massacre was absent. Anyone else learn about that? Anyone learn about Redlining in major cities like Detroit in secondary school? If so, kudos to your history teachers because that was nowhere in a Nebraska or Washington curriculum that I remember.

Why do we need to acknowledge that many blacks were restricted from acquiring generational wealth? It's an underlying factor in subsequent generations landing in the "projects". We know wealth is the #1 factor in predicting health, education, and general measures of succeeding generational success. The chances that my sons are successful in life has a direct correlation to the wealth of my wife and I. Is it the only factor? Know. It is the difference between starting on 2nd base or home though.

What we all do with our advantages is entirely up to each of us. The goal isn't to have a 100% even playing field. There will ALWAYS be certain advantages. Still, awareness of the advantages is critical to ensure they aren't cemented for all eternity. Diversity in the board rooms is a good example. Without acknowledging that executives, CEOs, and Chair of the Board have an innate desire to surround themselves with those people they feel most comfortable with, we'd never be able to include more women and minorities. It's the unconscious bias that for decades impacted those populations ability to break into the board room. That's just one example.

Had to laugh at the picture of the CEO's meeting at the 2022 Munich Security Conference:

The question the left needs to address is how do you acknowledge the past, study it without it being a excuse for minorities and lower class individuals to not persevere and overcome whatever disadvantages they've been given.​

the problem with these "white guy" pictures is that many on the left fail to put them in context. these guys are almost all 55-65 years old. that means they did their undergrad in '75-85. take a look at college completion rates for blacks and/or women at the time. it is only about 8% for black men and when you think about those degrees, they likely weren't top notch. and then think about the MBA's and other advanced degrees that guys in that room typically have. then it becomes pretty obvious why it is all white males still. Even though the Wells Fargo CEO was chastised for saying it, the talent (educated) pool of minorities and women still hasn't caught up. there is going to be a 20-30 year lag to see the recent increases in college attendance/completion show up in a boardroom picture. It is the same issue with Flag Officers in the military. those guys are typically 50-60 years old. In the early 80's the college completion rate for black men was below 10%. That meant that there were far fewer black men becoming Lieutenants which means that there are far fewer black men eligible to become CPT's and so forth. The top of the promotion funnel starts at College Completion. If that funnel is much smaller for black men, then so too will the output.​

 

[BrntOrngStmpeDe]

Why do we need to acknowledge that many blacks were restricted from acquiring generational wealth? It's an underlying factor in subsequent generations landing in the "projects". We know wealth is the #1 factor in predicting health, education, and general measures of succeeding generational success. The chances that my sons are successful in life has a direct correlation to the wealth of my wife and I. Is it the only factor? Know. It is the difference between starting on 2nd base or home though.

.. this is often cited but rarely does anyone dig under the hood. consider this..
"About 8% of Americans get an inheritance of any kind — and those who do inherit will likely get less than $25,000 US Dollars (USD). Less than 2% of Americans receive more than $100,000 in inheritance. This data came from a study conducted by the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland."

The wealth disparity in America is not due to Generational Wealth, it is due to home ownership. The bulk of 90% of America's wealth is the equity in their own home. Nothing to do with what mom, dad, grandpa handed down. And what keeps black families from owning a home... "Low-income families have a median credit score of 658 Asian Americans have the highest credit score of any race at 745. Black Americans have the lowest credit score of any race at 677."

There is no denying that there were significant impediments to black achievement 60 years ago. but that is almost 3 generations ago. It is time to quit leaning on historical situations to justify the lack of personal progress today. Systemic racism is all but disappeared. the lack of progress today has much more to do with the lack of progress in attitudes in black communities.​

 

[Horn6721]

BOSD
Thank you for facts .

 

[Horns11]

.. this is often cited but rarely does anyone dig under the hood. consider this..
"About 8% of Americans get an inheritance of any kind — and those who do inherit will likely get less than $25,000 US Dollars (USD). Less than 2% of Americans receive more than $100,000 in inheritance. This data came from a study conducted by the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland."

The wealth disparity in America is not due to Generational Wealth, it is due to home ownership. The bulk of 90% of America's wealth is the equity in their own home. Nothing to do with what mom, dad, grandpa handed down. And what keeps black families from owning a home... "Low-income families have a median credit score of 658 Asian Americans have the highest credit score of any race at 745. Black Americans have the lowest credit score of any race at 677."

There is no denying that there were significant impediments to black achievement 60 years ago. but that is almost 3 generations ago. It is time to quit leaning on historical situations to justify the lack of personal progress today. Systemic racism is all but disappeared. the lack of progress today has much more to do with the lack of progress in attitudes in black communities.​

While it's appropriate that you admit there were significant impediments to black achievement, I'm wondering when/where the benchmark or nexus was that allowed for that next step in personal (or attitudinal) progress.

The trope of "we've removed the legal barriers, so anything beyond that at this point is your problem" follows the same pattern going back to when PA and MA abolished slavery in the 1780s. Then every time some sort of legal victory went the way of minority groups, it was the next refrain.

So if the FHA passed in 1968, when should the "other foot" have dropped?

 

[BrntOrngStmpeDe]

While it's appropriate that you admit there were significant impediments to black achievement, I'm wondering when/where the benchmark or nexus was that allowed for that next step in personal (or attitudinal) progress.

The trope of "we've removed the legal barriers, so anything beyond that at this point is your problem" follows the same pattern going back to when PA and MA abolished slavery in the 1780s. Then every time some sort of legal victory went the way of minority groups, it was the next refrain.

So if the FHA passed in 1968, when should the "other foot" have dropped?

I think that is a fair question. as SH spoke to...his kids will start out a step or two higher on the achievement ladder because he is already there and because he can provide that to them. That is the goal that most of us strive for. I personally am well past what I need in life. It is now all about a few big "wants" and mostly about what I can do for my kids/grandkids. I acknowledge that what I currently have impacts my progeny downstream. But I cite my personal experience, and although anecdotal, i think it is a path available to virtually anyone in America. Mom was a teenage mom and we spent most of our lives below the poverty line. There was zero inheritance and even in my early adult years I was already helping her with money. My wealth was not a result of any windfall but steady work and contributions to my asset pool over 30 years. And most of that on a military salary. This is what I like to refer to as the "American Dream". Life is all about choices. You make good choices and put in the work and you build a life over time and you do better for the next gen. That is where black communities have largely failed. Many of them don't take the approach that their job is to hand off a little better than they got. Personally, I think if a black person was born post '75 'ish then their economic stagnation/failure is very likely of their own doing. You don't need a $100K paycheck to do well in life. You do need to make good choices and put in the work.

 

[Monahorns]

The trope of "we've removed the legal barriers, so anything beyond that at this point is your problem" follows the same pattern going back to when PA and MA abolished slavery in the 1780s. Then every time some sort of legal victory went the way of minority groups, it was the next refrain.

So if removing legal barriers isn't the answer, are you saying that taking from whites and giving to blacks in the present is the answer?

 

[mb227]

So if removing legal barriers isn't the answer, are you saying that taking from whites and giving to blacks in the present is the answer?

The SIMPLE answer is that some people want things handed to them on a platter. When the impediments are removed and they have to actually *checks notes* get off their *** and do real work, then some other obstacle will invariably be cited.

This is not unique to race. We saw it on a regular basis in prisons when inmates would refuse to work claiming something about their medical precluded doing a particular job. We would move them to a different job and the excuses began anew. A Vietnamese doctor at Ferguson put it so aptly on a regular basis in the late 80's..."Ah...you have common problem...you no want to work."

 

[Horns11]

I think that is a fair question. as SH spoke to...his kids will start out a step or two higher on the achievement ladder because he is already there and because he can provide that to them. That is the goal that most of us strive for. I personally am well past what I need in life. It is now all about a few big "wants" and mostly about what I can do for my kids/grandkids. I acknowledge that what I currently have impacts my progeny downstream. But I cite my personal experience, and although anecdotal, i think it is a path available to virtually anyone in America. Mom was a teenage mom and we spent most of our lives below the poverty line. There was zero inheritance and even in my early adult years I was already helping her with money. My wealth was not a result of any windfall but steady work and contributions to my asset pool over 30 years. And most of that on a military salary. This is what I like to refer to as the "American Dream". Life is all about choices. You make good choices and put in the work and you build a life over time and you do better for the next gen. That is where black communities have largely failed. Many of them don't take the approach that their job is to hand off a little better than they got. Personally, I think if a black person was born post '75 'ish then their economic stagnation/failure is very likely of their own doing. You don't need a $100K paycheck to do well in life. You do need to make good choices and put in the work.

I'm honestly not sure what you're referring to in terms of the black community's failure. It would be quite the read.

I think my argument is that removing legal barriers doesn't remove others. I can link all of the studies about callbacks for job interviews, whether or not FHA was appropriately enforced in certain regions, appropriate educational opportunities, etc. But none of those are illegal in your definition of "systemic." Therefore, no such thing as systemic.

 

[Horns11]

So if removing legal barriers isn't the answer, are you saying that taking from whites and giving to blacks in the present is the answer?

Removing legal barriers was barely a first step. I think you would define "taking" broadly, as in tax breaks, public education opportunity enhancement, job programs, rehabilitation programs, etc. all come from whites. So, yes, probably.

 

[BrntOrngStmpeDe]

I'm honestly not sure what you're referring to in terms of the black community's failure. It would be quite the read.

I think my argument is that removing legal barriers doesn't remove others. I can link all of the studies about callbacks for job interviews, whether or not FHA was appropriately enforced in certain regions, appropriate educational opportunities, etc. But none of those are illegal in your definition of "systemic." Therefore, no such thing as systemic.

agreed..."black community's failure" is perhaps too broad. but here is an example of what I mean....Rap and drill music is part of America's racial problem | Fox News

The other part of what I mean are these...the divorce rate, the unmarried pregnancy rate, the incarceration rate, the low academic achievement rate. All of these are substantially worse in the black community than they are in any other. These are all CHOICES that these people and communities made. While you don't "choose" to get a "D" in class, you do choose to not study and pay attention in class, which is essentially the same thing. While you don't choose to get pregnant at 16, you do choose the behaviors that lead to that. While you don't choose to be poor, you do choose your response to that. The black community has a culture of its own. The Asian community has a culture of its own. Which of those two demographics is achieving more? I submit that the community and the culture within that community are the primary obstacles to success rather than any systemic challenge. I bet that thru probably even the 90's that "no call back" for a job was just as high in these other communities and yet we can still see the very wide disparity in achievement.

 

[horninchicago]

Are we still talking about the barriers in cities that have been run by Dems for decades upon decades?

 

[Horns11]

agreed..."black community's failure" is perhaps too broad. but here is an example of what I mean....Rap and drill music is part of America's racial problem | Fox News

The other part of what I mean are these...the divorce rate, the unmarried pregnancy rate, the incarceration rate, the low academic achievement rate. All of these are substantially worse in the black community than they are in any other. These are all CHOICES that these people and communities made. While you don't "choose" to get a "D" in class, you do choose to not study and pay attention in class, which is essentially the same thing. While you don't choose to get pregnant at 16, you do choose the behaviors that lead to that. While you don't choose to be poor, you do choose your response to that. The black community has a culture of its own. The Asian community has a culture of its own. Which of those two demographics is achieving more? I submit that the community and the culture within that community are the primary obstacles to success rather than any systemic challenge. I bet that thru probably even the 90's that "no call back" for a job was just as high in these other communities and yet we can still see the very wide disparity in achievement.

All I basically read from this was that we don't see eye-to-eye on what a "choice" constitutes, and the conditions that would have led to someone to make that "choice."

I'd actually kind of like to see this delivered as a speech to the CBC or something along those lines and witness the reactions. Fly on the wall. Especially the prison part.

How we've gone from "removing legal barriers to discrimination isn't enough" to comparing races of people is way beyond the scope of what I intended with my original comment. I'd actually like to see comparisons of Blacks, Hispanics, and Asians with similar SES in terms of those ideas, but I don't readily have that available. Where I am right now (Plano/Frisco/McKinney), there's an entire demographic of well-educated, STEM-major, corporate-type Asian Americans... many of whom probably didn't have your impoverished upbringing. Lumping them in with all Asians "against" Blacks to compare outcomes and what certain people should be "choosing" is part of the issue.

 

[Horns11]

Are we still talking about the barriers in cities that have been run by Dems for decades upon decades?

They can't all be Colorado Springs or Omaha, I suppose.

 

[BrntOrngStmpeDe]

All I basically read from this was that we don't see eye-to-eye on what a "choice" constitutes, and the conditions that would have led to someone to make that "choice."

I'd actually kind of like to see this delivered as a speech to the CBC or something along those lines and witness the reactions. Fly on the wall. Especially the prison part.

How we've gone from "removing legal barriers to discrimination isn't enough" to comparing races of people is way beyond the scope of what I intended with my original comment. I'd actually like to see comparisons of Blacks, Hispanics, and Asians with similar SES in terms of those ideas, but I don't readily have that available. Where I am right now (Plano/Frisco/McKinney), there's an entire demographic of well-educated, STEM-major, corporate-type Asian Americans... many of whom probably didn't have your impoverished upbringing. Lumping them in with all Asians "against" Blacks to compare outcomes and what certain people should be "choosing" is part of the issue.

In a way, i think your comment demonstrates my point. Those corporate types that you speak of can probably point back to their grand/great-grand and that generation would have likely been working low end, menial jobs in 1960's. IMO, The fact that their grandchildren are now represented well in the STEM/Corporate world is testament to what is possible when you decide that you do have choices and power to set your own course and quit blaming every external factor for your lack of progress.

 

[Monahorns]

Removing legal barriers was barely a first step. I think you would define "taking" broadly, as in tax breaks, public education opportunity enhancement, job programs, rehabilitation programs, etc. all come from whites. So, yes, probably.

Regardless of the definition, all the things you list as solutions are already implemented except for maybe tax breaks. But why would we tax whites more than blacks who make the same or more money? That sounds like racism to me not solving it.

 

[Horns11]

Regardless of the definition, all the things you list as solutions are already implemented except for maybe tax breaks. But why would we tax whites more than blacks who make the same or more money? That sounds like racism to me not solving it.

I guess my first comment would be to get into the hows, whats, whys, wheres, etc. for how those programs are implemented and whether or not they're successful. Obviously there's a disconnect.

But for the tax breaks, I'm not talking about a literal question on an IRS form. If municipal tax code is written to allow corporations to avoid property taxes, like relocators often do, then why not for people who rehab property inside the aforementioned red line? Some places do this, others don't. Why not use federal code to basically make all child care fees tax deductible instead of just part of it? Some code, despite its benign appearance, definitely affects one subset demo more than others.

I can get into the whole history of why there wasn't an income tax until the 16th Amendment, but that's probably another thread.

 

[iatrogenic]

the problem with these "white guy" pictures is that many on the left fail to put them in context. these guys are almost all 55-65 years old. that means they did their undergrad in '75-85. take a look at college completion rates for blacks and/or women at the time. it is only about 8% for black men and when you think about those degrees, they likely weren't top notch. and then think about the MBA's and other advanced degrees that guys in that room typically have. then it becomes pretty obvious why it is all white males still.

SH's claim is even dumber than you suggest. Guess who else isn't in that picture that accounts for three times as many citizens as black people?

Did you guess "other white people"? If you did, congratulations! Despite being white, those other white people aren't CEOs of those companies either. Do you know why? Because they do not have the drive, intelligence and commitment that those white guys had. They didn't work 80 hours a week. If being white made you a CEO, then you would be a CEO. You wouldn't have to be better than the next white guy. In SH's simple mind, discrimination is three times worse against whites than blacks when it comes to being a CEO.

 

[iatrogenic]

Where I am right now (Plano/Frisco/McKinney), there's an entire demographic of well-educated, STEM-major, corporate-type Asian Americans... many of whom probably didn't have your impoverished upbringing. Lumping them in with all Asians "against" Blacks to compare outcomes and what certain people should be "choosing" is part of the issue.

Why didn't they have an impoverished upbringing? Based on the bitching of blacks and liberals, you would think only blacks had it rough. I'll give you the history as brief as I can: Chinese immigration began in the middle of the 19th century during the California gold rush. Many poor, uneducated Chinese men made their way to the U.S. in unventilated steerage, packed shoulder to shoulder, with poor food and scarce water. Many died during the sailing voyage which could take three months.

Once in America, other Chinese took them from the ships and isolated them with their own kind. They settled matters internally. The "Six Companies" made the rules and the Chinese culture forced the arrivals to "do the right thing" despite being heavily discriminated against by U.S. citizens. They were prohibited from mining, and became clothes washers and cooks at mining camps. They were repeatedly run out of many Pacific coast towns. In the 1860s the Chinese began the brutally tough job of building the railroad. The Chinese reputation for hard work was unmatched. They were one-tenth of the California agricultural work force in 1870 and one-half in 1884. They planted the vineyards in California that gave rise to the California wine industry, but were driven out of that industry by discriminatory taxes, pressure and violence. Half the shrimp fishing in California in the 1860s was performed by Chines, but they were driven out of that occupation by discriminatory legislation. Eventually, they became the dominant labor force in the boot and shoe industry, in canneries, in the San Francisco cigar industry, and made up 80% of the shirt makers in San Francisco in the 1880s. They saved their earnings and sent their money back to the Toishan region of China, which became very prosperous thanks to the remittances.

The Chinese were hated for their work ethic and frugality, which is the same attitude Universities, and most Libs have toward them today. Labor Unions and political radicals spear-headed the anti-Chinese movement. Eventually the Chinese Exclusion Act was passed, which brought a halt to the influx of Chinese. The peak population of 100,000 Chinese in 1890 sank to 60,000 in 1920. Thanks to marrying white Americans (they were cut off from marrying Chinese women), the brutal discrimination they faced began to change for the offspring of the Chinese. From 1940 to 1970, the proportion of Chinese in professional level occupations went from one-half that of whites to more than whites. By 1970, 30 percent of Chinese worked in professional and technical fields, which is double that of whites, and a higher percentage of Chinese men were engineers and teaching college level physics, math and chemistry.

So, you see, the Chinese had it brutally rough, yet they worked hard and saved, which is their culture. Compare that with a black culture that thinks speaking properly and studying is "acting white", and Ye Shall Know the Truth about how culture affects success.

 

[Monahorns]

Why not use federal code to basically make all child care fees tax deductible instead of just part of it? Some code, despite its benign appearance, definitely affects one subset demo more than others.

That could be acceptable.

I can get into the whole history of why there wasn't an income tax until the 16th Amendment, but that's probably another thread.

There wasn't an income tax because it was illegal. Still should be.