End of tonight's Baylor game

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orangecat1

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I, too have to question Rick's coaching ability. After you hit a three pointer to come within 1 point, 51 seconds left, Baylor is on the ropes, appears to have no idea what to do, and Barnes bails them out by calling a Timeout. Baylor had 0 timeouts left, does the Texas staff not know Baylor was out of TOs?

I said it right there, you're giving Scott Drew a chance to beat you, to set up an offensive play, he will. And then Kabongo helps Baylor also by fouling.

Agree with Knight, even if you dont' foul, by reaching all of the way around the backside like that, even if you don't get called for the foul, you're putting your D on a 4 against 5 situation.
 
and even if Baylor were to somehow score, let's say the same two foul shots they did get, you've got the ball, and you have 2 timeouts left, behind by 3, and probably 17-20 seconds left, you call a timeout, theoretically have a really good play call, score, you're within one, foul, and then call last timeout to setup game tying or game winning play.

All of this assumes you have some idea about how to setup a play at the end of a game.

Maybe Barnes has given up calling timeouts to setup offense. Even so, don't call one so Scott Drew can draw his up. If the staff was paying attention they would have noticed Drew was subbing for offense and defense starting around the 7 or 8 minute mark. I guess our coaches don't notice this stuff?

It was just frustrating to me because to me this was the season. Normally I would have seen a bunch of games on TV by now, but due to LHN, this is about the 2nd game I've seen and at least from home it's very obvious there's a serious deficiency sitting there.
 
going back to the timeout, even the D Barnes called timeout to setup, that D doesn't make sense. It looked like, and of course I'm an amateur, it looked like a desperate overplaying, trapping, we have to steal the ball kind of D.

Almost the kind of D you might call if you were behind by 2 or more instead of 1.
and you're gonna get the ball back, with plenty of time to call a play, you just need solid D, make the other team make the mistake.
 
Straight from Barnes mouth after the game and from what I saw I tend to think it is correct. Kabango refuses to play defense the way he needs to, aka not getting his hands up and allowing perimeter shooters to take uncontested 3's. And he didn't call a timeout at the end on offense because the other 3 times he tried to setup plays coming out of timeouts, the team failed to execute the plays he called. On the posession where J'Covan turned it over with a chance to tie, he said the offense we would've called would've been to get J'Covan the ball, and calling a timeout there would've given Baylor a chance to set a Defense. I think he made the right move, J'Covan just ended up throwing the ball away.

The game never should've come down to that to begin with. You won't win much giving up 51 points in the second half. Defensive effort was non-existent in the second half and a lot of that comes down to fundamentals like getting your hands up when a three pointer shooter is taking a shot. Shooting at long range is about as hand-eye coordinated as it gets. If you affect their vision, you affect their shot. Our freshman had better learn this lesson instead of giving up uncontested 3's and leaving their feet to go for blocks which end up in free throws for the other team.

In High school the other shoters might have missed wide open threes more often, or maybe they shot faked less leading to more blocks. But this isn't high school. Fact of the matter is, the freshman just have to play better and that's that.
 
if Kabongo is that bad on D, and you're Rick and you know he's that bad on D, and you're Rick and YOU CALLED A TIMEOUT TO SETUP D, why did YOU LEAVE HIM IN THERE ON D??????????????????????????????????????????????

You had a 2 to 0 timeout advantage, if you didn't trust him, put in someone else, stop Baylor, then call your last TO, put Kabongo back in for offense, and win the game.

That simple.

Even if you don't have a timeout advantage, you would play it that way, if you didnt' trust Kabongo to play D correctly.

Rick should know his players by now, it's almost March, yet if he truly didn't trust Kabongo, he knew what to do. None of the guards had fouled out, Rick had plenty of options.
 
This one falls squarely on Barnes shoulders. You keep calling the timeouts and running plays, even if they aren't working, someday in the future they will work. It is a great teaching opportunity, I think back through the years and our two minute or last minute offense has always been lacking.

Barnes is not much of a closer as a coach. NIT here we come!!!!
 
I've posted before on the fouling situation, but I read through a set of notes from Rick Barnes, head coach at University of Texas that articulated very well what every coach should be thinking about in terms of preparing for end of game situations.


It is very important to not assume that your players know what to do! Try to work on special situations every day.

Here are some questions all coaches should ask themselves. The answers will vary according to your personal philosoply and your team's strengths.

- In a tie game, would you ever foul to get the last possession?
- Do you push the ball and play or call a timeout to set up the last shot?
- Is your team prepared to deny the ball to one great foul shooter?
- How do you intentionally miss a free throw?
- With a 3-point lead, do you foul before a 3-point shot is taken?
- Do your players know when to foul?
- Do you have a sign or call so your players know to foul without alerting the other team?
- Do you have visual signs for all of your players to ensure communication in loud environments where verbal calls may not be heard?
- When do you start taking 3's in order to catch up? Do you have a hurry-up offense designed to get you quality shots in less time?
- Do you save your timeouts or do you use them early to keep you kids in the game?
- Do you have your list of special situation plays on the bench with you so you can refer to them in pressure situations?

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The team has lost a lot of games this year in the last two minutes. Closing games is a very weak point of this team. Barnes seems incredibly devoid of the ability to make good things happen at games end.

this has been the case for years. Nothing new about it.
 
At some point, the coach has to take the blame for losing such a high percentage of close games. It's not like we're trading baskets and the other team just happens to hit the last shot. It's to the point now that - if the game is close at the end - losing is almost expected.

When a game is close at the end, it turns into a chess game between coaches and I've yet to too many instances where a game has ended and we've said/thought, "wow, Rick really outcoached X with that play call."
 
I don't know if it's coaching, youth, or a combination of both, but the collective basketball intelligence of this team is about as low as any Texas team I have seen. They repeatedly make the same stupid mistakes and that is the difference between winning and losing a close game.
 
No question the last few minutes of the game can be important, as was the case last night, but this game was lost much earlier in the second half when Baylor went with three guards and the Texas defense fell apart. Baylor scored 51 points and hit better than 50% from the field in the second half, including 6 of 9 on 3-point shots. That is the ball game right there just as the first half of the OSU game was. OSU scored 51 in the first half and hit 68% from the field with 4 of 6 on 3-pointers. Those types of performances will kill any team and represent two of the worst defensive efforts of any Rick Barnes teams.

The fact is that this team does not understand that defense is the key and that it must be played intensely the entire game. They have been lit up from outside in two consecutve games. Also, this team has no killer instinct when it builds a lead - they become a bit careless and complacent. Frankly, I think they entered the OSU game overconfident based on the win at home against OSU when OSU scored a piddly 49 points fo the game.

This team is incredibly weak on the front line, something we knew at the beginning of the season, which places an inordinate burden on the guards. Brown is good, but he is not a game dominator, and Kabongo is just too raw to be counted to control an entire game. Neither can be considered great clutch time players as demonstrated by their repeated commission of multiple turnovers during the last few minutes of close games. It is incredible how often they commit turnovers during the last four or five minutes of close games. Brown says all the right things after the game as far as accountability, but that has not translated to better play at game's end.

Chapman and Wangmene have solid FG%, but they cannot handle the ball, are turnover machines and commit far too many fouls resulting from poor positioning, lack of athleticism and poor decision making. Rick Barnes has never had a team with such a weak frontline.

As for subsituting for Kabongo at game's end for better defense, against a three guard offense, who can Barnes insert who is better? Kabongo is a projected first or second round pick, but that is based on potential because his fundamentals are lacking and his court savvy is low on offense, where he makes far too many turnovers, and on defense where he makes far too many stupid fouls and simply plays lousy defense.
 
7 of the 11 losses by six points, or less compared to only one win by six points, or less is very telling about this team.
 
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