UTGRAD2009
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Those who decommit were never really committed, I wouldn't waste my time worrying about those kids. A true Longhorn is one who bleeds orange and doesn't waver.
Do Not Concern Youself with Decommits!
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true, whenever you have a coaching change at the end of a season so near signing day, it almost doesnt count against the incoming coach. It's just anything we can get. However, if we keep the remaining committments and get nelson,ford, knox, and especially harvey we would finish with a better than expected class. We do have some good recruits already. But i am alread licking my chos for next year...
true, whenever you have a coaching change at the end of a season so near signing day, it almost doesnt count against the incoming coach. It's just anything we can get. However, if we keep the remaining committments and get nelson,ford, knox, and especially harvey we would finish with a better than expected class. We do have some good recruits already. But i am alread licking my chops for next year...
UT 2009: You are full of it! (I mean the stuff that comes out of the back end of the cow)
Kevin Durant is a true Longhorn today and probably will be for his life. But, he did not grow up in our neighborhood. Barnes had to seek him out and sell him on UT.
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Kevin Durant is a true Longhorn today and probably will be for his life. But, he did not grow up in our neighborhood. Barnes had to seek him out and sell him on UT.
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BevoJoe
10,000+ Posts
We may have one or two surprises by signing day, and those could be good or bad. I think the guys we have right now are the ones that will be here come time for summer camp. Some of the decommits that went elsewhere may be interesting to follow to see if there cleats ever hit the field. Every kid that gets recruited seems to think he's the next All American and all pro, then reality set in for most.
It doesn't concern me with a coaching change.
With Charlies comments about not focusing on stars I also won't panic the next year or two either.
If we have a 7-5 record three years from now then I'll look back and think about the load of crap we were fed. Otherwise I expect a bright future regardless of what's being interpreted now by hornfans.
With Charlies comments about not focusing on stars I also won't panic the next year or two either.
If we have a 7-5 record three years from now then I'll look back and think about the load of crap we were fed. Otherwise I expect a bright future regardless of what's being interpreted now by hornfans.
I don't give a **** if an athlete bleeds orange, grew up loving the Horns or wavers when the coaching staff is turned over. If he/she accepts a scholarship and hits the 40 Acres, they better bust their *** for the team. If every athlete and coach did that, UT will fare just fine.
UTGRAD2009
< 25 Posts
When Kevin Durant made his commitment, he stuck by it. You don't say you are commited, meet a coach from another school then tweet you have changed your mind? The responsible and integrity filled thing to do was to call the UT coaches and say I am having a change of heart and talk things out.
BTW, nice threat by the principal.
BTW, nice threat by the principal.
UTGRAD2009
< 25 Posts
Do they want to be Longhorns or have the last name Brown?
Mesohorny
1,000+ Posts
"A man of truth will always honor his word."
Well, these are 16, 17, and 18 year-old kids, hardly the "men" of whom you speak. Their feelings can change and for different reasons, i.e., Matt Stafford followed ***** to Georgia.
Have you just started following hs recruiting? This happens a lot, EVEN to Texas. You sound rather aggieish.
Well, these are 16, 17, and 18 year-old kids, hardly the "men" of whom you speak. Their feelings can change and for different reasons, i.e., Matt Stafford followed ***** to Georgia.
Have you just started following hs recruiting? This happens a lot, EVEN to Texas. You sound rather aggieish.
jayakris
2,500+ Posts
We also do not know the exact "word" they actually give. The pledges are always on the basis of the known circumstances. I am sure there cases when some players had even told the previous coaches that they were expecting the coaches to be there, when they pledged. We wouldn't know that part of their word, but certainly the coaches and the university wouldn't have said anything to throw doubts on it.
But it is not important that a recruit has to openly say such conditions, because in many such cases of pledges, there are implicit conditions that both parties agree to (even legally, I suppose).
If a player tells the university that he is committing when a certain coach is at the university, and the coach is canned by the university later, the player does have the right to change his mind, even if he did not explicitly add to his "word" a rider that it is contingent on "coach X being still there". Because it was that coach who had recruited him, and neither the coach nor the university said a word that "there is a chance that the coach won't be there".
All that the recruit has to do is to show integrity and not talk too much, especially to badmouth the university or the new coaches or anything, to justify his switch. Just say "thanks, but a large reason for my pledge was the previous coaches, and since the situation has changed, I am changing my pledge".
It would also be mature of the player to give a hard look at the new coaches before switching, but that is up to the player - because it is his college career that is at stake.
No "word" needs to be stuck to, if the person/entity to whom the word was given to, changes the circumstances on you. It's mutual, by definition.
But it is not important that a recruit has to openly say such conditions, because in many such cases of pledges, there are implicit conditions that both parties agree to (even legally, I suppose).
If a player tells the university that he is committing when a certain coach is at the university, and the coach is canned by the university later, the player does have the right to change his mind, even if he did not explicitly add to his "word" a rider that it is contingent on "coach X being still there". Because it was that coach who had recruited him, and neither the coach nor the university said a word that "there is a chance that the coach won't be there".
All that the recruit has to do is to show integrity and not talk too much, especially to badmouth the university or the new coaches or anything, to justify his switch. Just say "thanks, but a large reason for my pledge was the previous coaches, and since the situation has changed, I am changing my pledge".
It would also be mature of the player to give a hard look at the new coaches before switching, but that is up to the player - because it is his college career that is at stake.
No "word" needs to be stuck to, if the person/entity to whom the word was given to, changes the circumstances on you. It's mutual, by definition.
PropositionJoe
2,500+ Posts
decommits are interesting...in that we get pissed when it happens to us because we talk about things like integrity and keeping ones word etc, but we dont really care about it when it happens for us, if that makes sense.
i think the bottom line is no commit is truly committed until they sign on the dotted line.
i think the bottom line is no commit is truly committed until they sign on the dotted line.
^^^^^^
what Prop Joe said!
all the rest is fluff. much of what we hear about is just a game. the schools love to lock down a commit so they can "plan" their remaining recruiting strategy. some athletes love a school and commit to lock in their dream along with an education. some like to see how many offers they can get and take some trips to exotic locales. more power to the athletes since, for all but the elite, their leverage is minimal in the process.
come on Feb 5! then we can concentrate on 2015 and 2016
what Prop Joe said!
all the rest is fluff. much of what we hear about is just a game. the schools love to lock down a commit so they can "plan" their remaining recruiting strategy. some athletes love a school and commit to lock in their dream along with an education. some like to see how many offers they can get and take some trips to exotic locales. more power to the athletes since, for all but the elite, their leverage is minimal in the process.
come on Feb 5! then we can concentrate on 2015 and 2016
I am not concerned about De-commits. I am going to trust in the new coach and the new philosophy and expect that what is here can be turned into something better than we have seen the last 4 years. Now I am concerned about a "Case" type player with limits... that honestly will never get surpassed but I feel that there is enough here to have something good.
gahornphan
500+ Posts
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall too many last minute UT decommits who wound up being impact players someplace else. In fact, I kinda wish some of the 3, 4 and 5 star players that ended up playing for the horns the last few years had decommited before they came here and gone somewhere else. Hopefully Coach will bring in REAL committed ballers, regardless of star rating, and weed out those currently on the team who aren't 100% committed to the program but still drawing a scholarship.
UTGRAD2009
< 25 Posts
Now I am an aggie, pretty dumb assumption.
"A man of truth will always honor his word."
Here are two of your intelligent quotes:
"Have you just started following hs recruiting? This happens a lot, EVEN to Texas. You sound rather aggieish."
"16, 17, and 18 year-old kids, hardly the "men" of whom I speak?"
These are the same 16, 17, and 18 year old kids who are getting girls pregnant, getting all tatted up, smoking weed, drinking like it is going out of style. Oh my these little kids, they just don't realize what it is they do? Is that what you're saying? BTW, I have been following the HORNS since about 1963, I would love to call myself young, but this darn gray hair doesn't cut me any slack, nor do these aching joints.
"A man of truth will always honor his word."
Here are two of your intelligent quotes:
"Have you just started following hs recruiting? This happens a lot, EVEN to Texas. You sound rather aggieish."
"16, 17, and 18 year-old kids, hardly the "men" of whom I speak?"
These are the same 16, 17, and 18 year old kids who are getting girls pregnant, getting all tatted up, smoking weed, drinking like it is going out of style. Oh my these little kids, they just don't realize what it is they do? Is that what you're saying? BTW, I have been following the HORNS since about 1963, I would love to call myself young, but this darn gray hair doesn't cut me any slack, nor do these aching joints.
Unques prist
250+ Posts
The players committed to a Texas program coached by MB. The commitment was made based upon a set of circumstances. Those circumstances have changed and are unknown, so the player is perfectly within their rights to re-evaluate the circumstances and decide to go another direction. Nothing unethical about that decision. It is no different than committing to purchase X product and then the Seller delivers a product that you are unfamiliar with and is off-spec to what you agreed to buy. It is perfectly ethical and legitimate to reject the off-spec item.
Unques prist
250+ Posts
To add additional flavor to this discussion, I have an 17 year old son who pitches for his HS team. He is very good and had several scholarship offers. He visited the Colorado School of Mines. He loved the coaches and the school and they offered him an athletic scholarship and academic money. He committed and signed an LOI in Nov. Great fit all the way around. However, if the coach suddenly left and he did not feel comfortable or particularly like the new coaching staff, then he should evaluate if whether he should go somewhere else. Not because he is a wishy/washy 17 year old or dishonorable, but instead thoughtful on how he wants to spend his next 4-5 years athletically and academically.
22Horn
Harvey is Nick Harvey, DB commit for TAMU. has been for a good while. I don't see him changing.
Alaka, LB, switched to TAMU this past weekend. He wasn't comfortable enough with the new staff apparently and had contacts with Sumlin's staff for a long time.
Harvey is Nick Harvey, DB commit for TAMU. has been for a good while. I don't see him changing.
Alaka, LB, switched to TAMU this past weekend. He wasn't comfortable enough with the new staff apparently and had contacts with Sumlin's staff for a long time.
Third Coast
10,000+ Posts
I expected going in that Strong was going to have some difficulty. I think that it will probably pay off in the long run, but it is what it is.
Of all the coaches bandied about before the hire, he is one of the greatest contrasts to Mack in many ways. That combined with the late start and a staff without a foothold in the state was bound to result in second thoughts with some commits.
Of all the coaches bandied about before the hire, he is one of the greatest contrasts to Mack in many ways. That combined with the late start and a staff without a foothold in the state was bound to result in second thoughts with some commits.
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