Did Putin make fools of BO and Kerry

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Horn6721

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and by extension the whole country?
We were all supposed to understand that Kerry was not making a ' serious statement" yesterday.
well until Putin came out with a similar plan and Syria agreed to it
all of a sudden Kerry is saying it was intentional and BO is sating he and Putin discussed the same thing during G20, except Bo forgot to mention that pretty important part.

Ah but then Putin pulls th rug out from under BO.
He gets the UN to cancel the meeting to discuss this and he tells BO this will only work if BO says he won't use our military.

so even if tonight BO tries to take credit ( and he will )t the world will know better and Putin will be laughing.
Can BO announce he has taken our military off the table after he and all his minions have spent nearly 2 weeks beating that drum?

I hate that BO doesn't understand what foreign policy is and that he makes our country such a laughing stock.

Wait WAIT
maybe BO can blame Bush tonight, yea that's the ticket.
 
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and in this case she is right. If this saves us from even a teeny tiny military event that is a good thing

and maybe with more time the facts can come out.
of course the regime and the rebels are still killing each other
and innocent women and children
but it isn't with gas.
 
65,915,796 voted for this administration on November 6, 2012.

--Federal Election Commission, numbers revised Aug. 18, 2013
 
Kerry's in an impossible position. He made an eloquent speech early on about why American should take the moral high ground on WMD and seemed to suggest that we were poised to take action, and then the next day, BO announced he would seek Congressional approval and, in the mean time, he was going to play golf for a few days. BO has zigged and zagged all over the map on Syria, leaving Kerry's backside hanging out in the wind.

As for BO, unless race is involved or some other liberal ideology, he's totally lost. He doesn't have a clue on foreign policy. All he knows is that in the past the U.S. has been a bully and he set out to weaken our influence. He's certainly accomplished that. He's an embarrassment to his country.
 
Sangre is correct.
Kerry and BO did it all by themselves.
BO took himself to a new low last night.

It is a natural tendency for people and nations to resent whoever is top dog, and most powerful even as the ones below take what they can from whoever is on top.

The LAST thing our country needed was a buffoon who is supposed to be the leader taking us down.

This is not a case of damned if we do or damned if we don't.
This is a case of the buffoon not having a clue what to do , flopping all around , letting Putin roll him over and then trying to pretend he is still in charge.
 
The sad thing is most of the people would vote the same way today. It is no longer ask what you can do for your country but what can my country give me.
 
I totally understand and agree with people ripping Obama for this. He looks pathetic in this. However, I don't understand people giving John Kerry **** about this. What the hell was he supposed to do?
 
mrD
maybe you didn't see Kerry all wee wee'd up as he tried to convince everyone we needed to bomb Syria NOW.
He is making that worked up plea about 3 hours before BO goes to play golf

Then he makes that gaffe that the State Dept very clearly walked back

Putin makes his offer and all of a sudden Kerry is claiming his words were intentional and are what prompted the idea
 
Horn6721,

What I see is a guy who had a very difficult and borderline impossible job - to promote and implement this President's completely incoherent and erratic Syria "policy" (if we can call it that). I don't care if you're friggin' John Quincy Adams, that's going to be one hell of a tough job.

He also didn't make the mess in the first place. That happened before he was even on the job

As for his comment that led Russia to jump in, was that really so bad? What if he hadn't said anything? Would we be better off? I think we'd be worse off.
 
mrd
Do you sincerely believe that his gaffe actually gave Putin the idea? Really
You do realize Putin offered a similar plan over a year ago.
and I am NOT saying Putin is a good guy doing anything to help people
He will do this to show the world how weak the USA is.
Putin is the ruthless KGB person we know he is

Kerry; IF he didn't agree he did not have to go out there and pound over and over that we must do this NOW
only to then say well it will be a really really small strike
and don't forget Kerry is the one who put forth the plan to pimp our military out as mercenaries.
He obviously didn't think it was a bad plan because unlike he gaffe he never said it wouldn't happen

he may have a difficult job but he handles it particularly poorly
and no one is holding a gun to his head.


Edit to add
and this really isn't all that great an idea. The one good thing about it is we won't be lobbing missiles in an ' incredibly small strike" for now
but the long term consequences put us in a even worse bind
 
If the Obama admin ends up getting Syria to give up it's chemical weapons stockpile they go from being idiots to genius. The sabre rattling would have achieved it's goals without ever having to fire a shot.

Only a partisan can believe that the threat of a strike wasn't the primary reason for Putin/Syria to give up the weapons.

Of course, now the enforcement/destruction mechanism is the next hurdle to cross. I can't imagine Russia is going to acquiesce to International monitors for the destruction of the weapons. They'll likely propose that THEY will validate their destruction.
 
Take almost anything BO has done in his term...health care for example. Syria. He is very good at what the crazy kids in college do, sit around saying "we need to...." or wouldn't it be great it..."

The problem with BO is that he does this, but doesn't have the experience or the know how to understand how hard it is to make a plan, enact the plan, and the plan takes time.

This is especially true w/health care...next month and I would wager 90% of the population has no clue what it will mean to them. Their is a huge difference in "blue skying" over a beer, than actual implementation.

Implementation is hard. He can't do that critical part.
 
Just curious
who here actually thinks Assad was convinced the USA was going to mount an " unbelievably small limited kind of effort'?

If YOU believe that does that mean BO would have taken that teeny tiny strike even when Congress voted against him?
 
Mr D
" To me it has to be damaging to be a gaffe."
is that a legal definition? I thought a gaffe was just a stupid clumsy idiotic remark

but now that you mention it since his State Dept walked it back I guess it no longer exists.

I do see what you mean that Kerry is just parroting what BO tells him, I guess that goes with keeping the job

I take it as a positive that Putin called Kerry a liar.

We will live to regret BO taking what must look like a lifeline from Putin
and the day may not be long in coming
 
One other thought...what the last 7 or so months of national politics has made me aware of:

That the office of the President should be prioritized to focus on
a) national security,
b) running a clean government absent of partisan slight-of-hand stuff that can get out of hand in the numerous departments and agencies (all under the Executive Branch),
c) enforcing laws, and in a constitutional manner,
d) taking leadership in global balance of power, and that can be done by demeanor, language, meeting with heads of state, and so on, in addition to decisions made at that level that have to do with foreign policy,
e) working closely with Sect of State and Sect of Defense on #d
f) STAYING OUT of dialog on a myriad of domestic issues, defering all that to (1) the States, (2) and both houses of Congress,
g) Not using the bullpullpit of the office to pontificate and state what is the philosohpy of American way of life -- that is headed down a most dangerous path. We then end up electing Philosopher Kings who are more about trends and emotional sway than core issues.
h) regards #g I don't anyone from any party taking that office to the extremes Obama has. He means well, but I do not want a single voice preaching every aspect of life to the nation. We're bright enough to work from the local level up, city, state, federal, to work through issues.

I'd prefer a President who is not so outspoken on climate, education, social mores, immigration, energy, and all that goes into that range of categories.

Instead, focus on ideals regards currency, debt, liberty, and anything related to employment or GDP. Focus on working on those issues with Congress, and get away from society-related issues.

Forcus on national security, foreign policy, debt, and LEAVE SPENDING AND TAXING TO CONGRESS. Period.

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Oh well heck HU
You want the POTUS to do the job outlined in our Constitution
don't you pay attention to polls and the small crap that absorbs most people
as in HOW much can I get the gov't to give me whether I need it or not
 
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