Defensive Poetry

PhxHorn

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The boards have been a trifle slow, of late, so I spent a few hours over the last couple of days indulging myself in what may seem a strange pursuit to those of you that know me - reading poetry. Of course, I had also decided that a break from my normal non-football routines - surfing internet porn sites and leafing through dog-eared copies of Soldier Of Fortune - was probably in order, as well. While (due to the inspiration of several on this board) I'm feeling in an unusually self-revelatory mood, I do intend - as god intended - to turn this topic towards football, and specifically the defense, at some undetermined point in time.First, however, a digression as to my attachment to poetry - one in which I completely lack any of the necessary academic or cultural appreciation skills. I came by my appreciation of poetry honestly, in a desperate attempt at personal cultural enrichment, unaided by two degrees in business admin. One of my numerous wives, god help her, held a MA from the University of Chicago, with honors, in English Lit (interestingly enough, her grad advisor was none other than Norman McLean of "A River Runs Through It" fame, so I read that little epistle in 1979, or so). Anyway, aside from considering me (correctly) as a cultural philistine, Cat was also some 30 IQ points north of my location in her intellectual sub-basement. Add to that her apparent awareness of every fact committed to writing in the Christian epoch, and dinner conversations tended to be not unlike oral exams. In a crazed effort to achieve at least a token of conversational leverage, I resorted to reading poetry - to no avail, as you might guess. I've always thought that Cat divorced me since (a) she considered people who liked football to be in the same league as Louis L'Amour readers, and I was guilty of both sins, and (b) I could never get past page ten of "Ulysses" without my eyes glazing over and beginning to snore. Well, Cat, I hope you're OK wherever you are, but I do occasionally fantasize that you've remarried, to someone with a semi-colon fetish who also confuses the usage of "lose" and "loose".At any rate, somewhere in this painful attempt at poetic self-education, I ran across one WB Yeats - couldn't understand a ******* thing he wrote, but the guy had a kinghell command of words. Of course, given my dour Welsh ancestry, it could also have been an envy of drunken Gaelics with total mastery of the English language - who knows, or really gives a ****? Now, poetry has a way of describing events (such as football) far removed from the original intent - of course, the same statement could apply to country and western music, so don't run too far with that particular rock. However, consider these lines from Billy Y:

Things fall apart, the centre cannot hold,
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,Is that a description of our defenses during the Mackovic era, or not - an era when shoulder pads were optional equipment and many of our defenders considered post-collegiate careers on the pro rodeo circuit? Now, consider the final two lines in the same poem:And, what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem, waiting to be born.Ominous words for ominous times, and filled with foreboding and a sense of dread - exactly the type of emotions we want the Reese Rage to inflict (defensively speaking, of course) on our soon to be hapless opposition. As most of you know, I am not big on the naming of defenses, but "Rough Beasts" has a certain visceral appeal to the darker side of my nature. Consider some huge creature (" a shape with lion body, and the head of a man", to quote WBY), crawling across the turf, its coat marred by oozing combat wounds, its one good eye filled with a feral light and unwaveringly focused on the jugular of its foe - or the ACL, take your pick. That, campers, is a defensive image with which to be reckoned.OK, you scream insensitively, but what does this **** have to do with next year's defense? And, will you ever get to the ******* point? Well, getting to the point may be OK if you're evaluating pencil sharpeners, but patience remains a virtue where many of us could benefit from improvement. Certainly, the minions of evil that represent the American travel industry wish that I would manifest improvements in that area. In the space of two short years, we have gone from a defensively inept group ranked 85th to a total defense ranking of 6th - heady gain, that. More important to some of us old timers, we no longer resemble aspiring toreadors against the run, improving from 86th to 17th ranking-wise and allowing 56% fewer yards per game on the ground than the ill-fated 1997 crew. In the same timeframe, yards per carry dropped to 2.7 from an embarrassing 4.7 Very gratifyingly, TFLs ballooned from 3.5 per game in 1997, to 4.2 in 1998, and to a very robust 11.2 per game last season.Pass defense had its own set of glowing improvements. Most will remember opposing QBs dropping back to pass and leisurely whipping out their cell phones to arrange evening action (assuming it was the normal 2:30 September day game - do you hear me, DeLoss?) while our pass rush struggled to get pass the LOS, and their receivers ran three and four different routes to get open. Well, no more - combined QB pressures and sacks tripled from 1997 to 1997 - from 5.5 per game to 15. In fact, we improved in every single pass defense measurement over the two years.Of course, past performance - even when the trend is clearly upwards - is of interest only to the extent it can serve as an accurate predictor of future performance. If the three primary components of defensive performance - personnel, scheme, and schedule - are examined, there's clearly plenty of reasons to think we should be expecting a dominating defensive effort in 2000. The schemes won't change appreciably, the schedule is less stringent (although there will be more passing teams to be faced), and personnel will be upgraded.As to personnel, consider that nine starters return and ten of the guys who started in the Cotton Bowl are back. The PhxHorn Iron Law Of Improvement, which states that performance gains are realized, over time, in a negatively exponential fashion clearly comes into play. Basically, that says (and there are exceptions, as I'm positive several people will point out), that maximum incremental improvements occur between the first and second years, with the improvement delta being less in each of the following years. If you consider the youth of last year's defense, then to expect major performance gains from the returners is by no means hallucinatory. Consider the impact of guys such as Rawls, T Jones, Brooks, Hill, and Jackson - to name a few - last year, when they were, for the most part, limited to special teams action in 1998. Those guys are nowhere near the peak of their respective learning curves. Jones, to single out one guy, is an absolutely fascinating subject - I think the kid is still only nineteen, yet he's 6-4/6-5, 230ish, and runs a sub-4.5 - what may he turn into with another off-season under Madden and some additional reps at the OLB spot?I realize that, while we get nine-ten starters back, not all of them are going to win the starting role next season. Which brings us to the PhxHorn Replaced Starter Corollary - if an experienced starter is replaced by a new face, the new face will be capable of performance superior to that of the former starter. Another way of saying, of course, that the eleven guys who will open against Hawaii are going to be better as a unit than the they guys who played against UA in the Cotton Bowl.Without speculating on how the various position wars will shake out, there are two obvious spots where new faces will be called upon - the two DE spots. Redding looks to be a lock for one - the question is how much falloff will we see from Big Ced. I'm undoubtedly being optimistic, but feel - subject to Cory's off-season S&C work - that there may be little, or no, drop off and will likely be an improvement in terms of pass rush. Ced was
a yeoman worker, who took one for the team by moving outside - however, we never got a strong pass rush from the right side and Redding should provide that. On the left side, I see no way there won't be a dropoff from Hump - both for leadership, combative attitude and overall playing skill. Yet, there are some awfully talented youngsters lining up for PT shots this spring and I fully believe one, or more, will emerge to minimize the dropoff effects.At any rate, I'm tired of typing - bottom line is the defense will be better next year, and possibly much better, although we've reached a statistical level where major numerical improvements are hard to achieve. And, they'll need to be that way - the offense is going to take some time to come together, and it may not reach the production we'd all like until the last part of the season, if at all. I'm not going to discuss special teams - these fits of uncontrollable weeping are unseemly in a middle-aged man, and my wild cursings are disturbing my already overly sensitive neighbors.Your thoughts?
 
Phx...I enjoy your posts probably more than any other poster, however...I am incredibly anxious to read Muleshoebo's response to your masterfully wordsmithed diatribe.
 
Incredible, as per your usual effort, PhxHorn.I think your last paragraph may be the most pertinent. The defense that takes the field next year will be capable of winning games for us when/if the offense can't get into gear. If my memory serves, our D scored 3 touchdowns in the last four games of the season (not including the Cotton Bowl).
 
I blush with excitement everytime I see your posts as well, Phx. And I too, cannot wait to see Muleshoebo's witty rebuttal.As for LDE, who do you favor for filling in the spot? And yes, I know, you have no more of an idea than anyone else. Still, your best guess is arguably better than most, so help us out. Beyond that, what positions do you see as most likely to be filled by a nonincumbant? CB most likely? Do you think that we could possibly see a new face at MLB? I know it's doubtful, but we can improve there next year. I hope DD learns the reads better if nothing else.Regardless, our defense will be much better. If we can take the punishment of a 12-14 game schedule, with few off weeks, we can be a top 10-top 5 team. All that depending on the O and how long they can stay on the field, of course.------------------
Hook'em
 
Phx,Have you been communing with the natives in the Superstition Mountains? Mushrooms perhaps? Good lord son, you've penned a freakin epic the likes of which haven't been seen since the authoring of War and Peace!Not bad for a whorn .
 
Phoenix:You give lie to the myth of the undereducated BBA. Your posts are always well thought out and entertaining.cfs60 - (the humorless one)
 
Where are the Cliff Notes to this thing?It's almost as long as Moby Dick.And for all you evil minded people out there, there is no double entendre.[This message has been edited by Ron Insana's Ex Toupee (edited 02-16-2000).]
 
As an interesting footnote to your epistle Phx, I would venture to say that LB is an area where we will see great improvement this coming year. In Reese's dogged effort to improve the defense's athleticism and speed, we have put into the linebacking rotation players who are relatively new to the position. We've got hosses back there, but - as two long runs in the championship game will attest - they are not yet completely comfortable with the reads the position requires. As our linebacking corps becomes more knowledgable and experienced, the instances of missed reads allowing big plays will be far, far fewer.Its gonna be fun!Hook 'em!------------------
"Most folks'd never eat a skunk,
but, then agin, some folks'll..."
Arkansas State Song
 
phx - every once in a while you come up with something worthy of grovel. while definitely an original, you remind me of a hunter s. thompson/e. hemmingway/cactus pryor sperm mutation. what a character. thank God (capital G) you are a horn fan!Hook'em------------------
"The plaster's gettin' harder, my love is perfection, a token of my love for her collection." - Gene Simmons
 
Firstly. I dont think. Their will be a second comin of the short horns. To promnance. Defencivly or anyways else. But. The part about the beast slouchin at Bethlehem. Reminds me of a ole sow I had. That took over a week to dliver a whole scad of piglets. I never in my entire life heard so much squeelin an whinin. An all thru the night shed whimper an whine. But we shore got alot of bacon from her travel.
 
txcastle - I've always suspected the good Bo, despite his cornpone keyboard efforts, was simply puttin people on, and his allusion to the title of the poem in his response below merely confirms that hypothesis in my mind. Beov70 - thanks for th kind words. Two keys to next year, IMO - (1) defensive scoring output, as you suggest, and (2) reduction in the number of short fields to be faced by the defense, implying a considerably improved net punting output.horndfl - idle speculation (sometimes deemed the antithesis of worthwhile speculation) is my forte, and particularly if downstream accountability is not in the equation. I see Redding at the pass rush-friendly RDE spot, and have no clue as to LDE or backups. Since Reese appears to like bigger DE who have the good first step, I would say that would favor Haywood, although I'm sure Pittman and Tubbs will get looks, as well. McC is reported to have impressed with his pass rushing, so possibly he winds up spelling Redding. I continue to hope Anderson can add the weight and strength to contribute, but have begun to think he's a 'tweener - not fast enough for OLB in the Reese system, not big enough for other than situational duty at DE. Ditto Gordon. If reports on Doiron hold true, he might see the field, but doubt he will early.As to new starters, CB looks to be the likeliest based on public comments about the desire for bigger corners. Jammer and Pearson are the most often mentioned, but QJ has never played cover corner - I just have not seen enough of Dak to say much, but continue to be told his practice performances have been outstanding. Personally, I thought Babers, for all his rookie mistakes, was the best looking corner we had. Of course, we my see the nickel enough that we need four-five corners, anyway.horndfl and tex83 - LB depth may be one reason we see more nickel next year. I do agree that all the LBs were young and both Jones and Lewis were seeing time at relatively new spots. All of the LBs made some good plays, but both TJ and DDL had their share of missed reads, as well. Wilkins would be the likely candidate to win MLB PT, allowing DDL to move back outside - however, Marcus had best pick up his practice efforts, I'm told, and I hope he does. It's also possible Trissell might move back to MLB, which gives us depth, if not experience, at the spot.Frankly, we are not dominating at these spots, although I would characterize last year's performance as serviceable. However, to become a dominating defense sufficient to offset the offensive learning curves, we simply will need the LB crew to pick it up a notch. We'll see and starting pretty soon, I would guess.
 
Stan, believe me when I say that I am not a person who counts modesty as a virtue, nor am I exaggerating about my ex-wife. An anecdote which you might appreciate - one evening I mentioned the JRR Tolkien classic, "The Lord Of The Rings", which was popular when I was younger and which I enjoyed. I observed that Tolkien's writing skills were considerable, to which Cat replied that I would benefit from reading the Icelandic sagas that served as JRR's source. I asked (aggressively) as to whether she had read them, to which she replied (with a look of sincere amazement on her face) "well, of course", the implication being "hasn't everyone?". I never had the balls to ask if she used a translation or just plowed through the original.I haven't seen, or heard from, Cat in nearly twenty years, but I have fond memories of her. Like many truly gifted people, she found day to day life a trial. Of course, the fact that I was at a career juncture where my ambitions made MacBeth look like a slacker probably didn't help a lot, either.
 
C&CD - I've never looked on economy of speech as an especially desirable trait - hell, I was a consultant for nearly thirty years, and there is no small tendency to value the report according to heft. Of course, I choose not to consider what influence those circumstances may have on my content.As to the Superstitions, I live quite a ways North of them, but they're not too much different from the days when people were losing their lives trying to find the Lost Dutchman. They're still largely on reservation land, I believe, and several folks lose their lives each summer after getting lost. Fortunately, though, the preserve status has kept our local group of land locusts, sometimes referred to as developers, from putting up tract homes and strip malls. Beautiful location, if you appreciate the high desert - tough ******* country, otherwise.
 
That post is truly amazing, a masterpiece. Print it, bind it, and get a copyright. We are missing out on something great. Your posts and Scip's need to be copied, bound, and sold as a work of art.Did you ever dream, following 1997, that we would be ranked top 6 defensively in a season we played Nebraska and KSU? We used to discuss the scenario for improvement, and it doesn't appear anyone came close. It's pretty exciting.I'm really looking forward to this season. We will be young, talented, and exciting. Life is orange.Hook 'em!
 
PhxHorn,Great, great post. It is hard to imagine to some based upon where the Texas defense has come from in the past three years that there is still room for improvement. Additionally, I agree that the improvement won't be one that can be measured statistically. The numbers the Texas defense posted last season were very, very good. The one thing the defense did not due however is win a game. What I mean by that is literally takeover a ballgame and win in the manner that KSU did. You did not necessarily have players step up and make game deciding plays. Granted, you had some dominating performances, but it seemed that there was not that one player that stepped up and made something happened when it was needed. Part of this was definitely due to the age of the players Texas had on the field. In Rawls, Jackson, Redding, etc. you have the players who have the physical ability, but don't have the experience, maturity, or physical development yet to make those plays. Rawls is an example. He had a very good year and shows a load of potential, but I can think of two plays at the end of the year that could have had a major impact upon the games they occurred in. First, is the A&M game in the first quarter. He has a chance of an interception in the flat that had he made would have likely gone for a touchdown. Put the Ags down 10 early with a big play and that might just turn the emotional tide the other way. In the Cotton Bowl Rawls is the blitzer that can't bring the Hawg quarterback down on the long touchdown pass down the sideline after Texas failed to score on the other end. Again, I don't use these two illustrations to pick on the kid because you can see he is playing hard. Just that if the play goes the other way it could have a definite impact on the game. Counter that with the Alamo Bowl where it seemed that everytime A&M got anything started Arrington decided to make a play. There were probably other Lion defenders with more tackles, but none that impacted the game more. Some might say that comparing Rawls with Arrington isn't fair, but the question is where does this team want to reach next season. If they wan't to be among the nation's elite they have to and will make these types of plays. PhxHorn, there is no way I come close to the way you eloquently phrased your post so I think the best way I can sum up my thoughts are by quoting Sean Connery's character from "The Rock.""At the end of the game losers whine about doing their best. Winners get to .... the prom queen."P.S. Did you get my e-mail. I am having trouble with my laptop and wasn't sure if it went out?
 
PhxHorn - This is truly a masterful commentary on the state of our defense that should be read by all who own a dictionary. I sincerely hope that my bastardized version in my Aggie spoof did not offend you in any way.I look forward to reading your comments on spring practices.
 
Stan - it's difficult to offend me. Well, maybe not so difficult, but the offense usually occurs in bars, rather than on internet BBS. Your Aggie spoof was well done.I plan to be in Austin from 3/20 through the OW game, so practice attendance will be a ritual. I'll attempt to post some observations, assuming anything of interest occurs, during that time.As to the defense, I have - as you might expect - numerous stats that I was too lazy to include in the original post, some of which are fairly interesting in terms of trends. I'll try to post those at some future date.
 
Hold on a second, you aggie impersonator PhxHorn. Your writing style is strikingly similar to almost everyone on Texags(If I knew how to put those silly, sarcstic smiley faces in, one would go here). Having trouble figuring out which Ag you really are.(If I knew how to put those silly sarcastic smiley faces in, one would go here)I frequently go to TexAgs to get my fill of intellectual stimulation(If I knew how to put those silly, sarcas...**** it,you know the rest); now I realize I can get it here on our board. thanks, PhxHorn.But hey, we should be treated to your thoughts on special teams. Don't disappoint us, we can take it. This ain't TexAgs, you won't be deleted for saying something true.Anxiously awaiting your next thread.------------------
"The swinging gate. That is about as smart as putting in a BMW dealership in East Texas"
 
Java - how dare you list me in the same sentence with that bastion of perfidy, Scipio? Next, you'll be comparing me with spenser, who currently is licking maple sugar off the toes of the lovely, but degenerate, FAUST. Both of them, BTW, have privately advocated a return to the 2-4-5 defense popularized by RC vs LTU, and if rumors can ever be believed, have instigated contact with the Gray Fox as to his potential movement to Austin - a sordid situation if ever one existed.Davey - I did get your email, however, it was a trifle more content-rich than I could digest at one pass. I am currently doing research that might allow a graceful response but am about to enter the friendly skies of, not United, but America Worst in a tragic effort to pay homage to LHG. I'll respond in the near future.As to the LBs, I would agree all of them made mistakes that hurt - that, IMO, is what you get with three sophs (two of them true) and two of them at new spots. Lewis concerns me the most, although he may be the most athletic of the three. DD got sucked into the wrong gap too many times and cut off from his pursuit lanes. Twice vs NU2 and at least once vs UA. Admittedly, the kid was playing his first year at MLB, but can film work and coaching upgrade his instincts for the spot?Thanks for the kind words, BTW. Coming from a poster of your caliber, that's meaningful.[This message has been edited by PhxHorn (edited 02-17-2000).]
 
Phxhorn,To be brutally honest, I used to think you were a bright guy, but now I am not so sure.I mean, first of all, you couldn't get past page 10 of "Ulysses"? Granted, reading about U.S. Civil War generals on the Union side isn't for everybody, but it isn't that difficult!And what's this about turning to Yeats for your self-education? Although Alfio Randall is likely proud of his high school and might disagree, I think your chances would have been better to avoid the Houston Independent School District all together and to enroll at one of the private high schools in the Houston area - like Kinkaid or Strake Jesuit.Lastly, and I don't want to hurt your feelings with this, but I must be brutally honest with you. I am sure that I am at LEAST 30 IQ points higher than my cat. I bet it is even 35.Please keep posting, but try to improve the intellectual content, willya? [This message has been edited by DrJ (edited 02-18-2000).]
 
DrJ - I'm sure you meant your post in jest (or, at least I think you did), but you hit a nerve. I'm in Austin, having flown in to attend Katie and Robert's Sat fling. Got a message from the last ex-wife - Sam, the cat, who we took off the street in spring of 1983 (at about one year old), goes to the heavy side layer on Saturday - liver failure. I feel like my guts have been ripped out, even though the big guy has lived out more of his nine lives, and lived them harder, than most.Jesus ******* christ!
 
Phxhorn - Yes, it was in jest. Sorry to mess up your brilliant thread with oblique references to General Ulysses S. Grant and Yates High School.I am actually very familiar with the author of "Ulysses" and "A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man" as we share the same last name. Unfotunately, the last name is where the comparsions end - no one yet has marveled at the similarity of our writing skills.May Sam RIP.
 
DrJ - I hope you didn't misinterpret my response. I actually found your post funny. Unfortunately, I had just received the message about Sam and may have been more terse in replying than I intended. I am a particular fancier of cats and Sam, street ruffian though he may have been, was a Cat of Cats. There'll be hell to pay in the heavy side layer come Saturday.
 
Phx--or is it Frasier Crane...come on Dr. Crane, I know it's you. I fancy myself a scribe with some talent for spinning a phrase, but it'd take me days to write a piece like yours. Hell, I could care less about what you were arguing, reading it was a pleasure. Thank goodness for the handy computer dictionary....
Cat was quite a catch. Too bad the two of you couldn't work things out. She must not have gone to Texas; otherwise, she'd understand your passion for pigskin.
While I agree that our tackles and safeties are beasts, I'm not sure about the linebackers and I haven't seen enough action from the DE replacements to formulate a definitive opinion, but Redding disappointed me last year. Admittedly, he couldn't have lived up to his press clippings. I hope we see what the squaking has been about this year. The problem with the hoopla presently given recruiting is that kids are asked to satisfy impossible expectations. True freshmen are unable to live up to the hype. That said, I hope Cory becomes everything Brackens was sans his senior season bowl game outside rush debacle. Cory's got the physical tools.
I am new to this board, but I look forward to reading the threads between you and your buddy bo. You sure you're not one and the same?
 
You fellas must be really rich. All them thousand $ words and such. Guess you had to be rich to go to ut. Most okies kinda get bleary eyed reading ya'll's dissertations. Some folks kin show they're pretty smart in less than 500 pages.BTW, Phx, I've spent many days in the Superstitions. Also, the Catalinas, Rincons, Santa Ritas (Tucson area), and I've been all over Picacho Peak. Since you seem like a history buff - did you know the only Civil War battle in Arizona was fought at the base of Picacho Peak? Final answer?But it's a dry heat......
 
C&CD - I am only moderately wealthy, but have noticed no correlation between net worth and possession of a decent vocabulary. As to Okie difficulty with multi-syllabic words, that is such a hanging curve ball that I'm going to pass.As a recent emigre to Arizona (Sept, 1993), I really have only a passing familiarity with the state. And, as a lifetime corporate nomad, I've gotten pretty selective on what I try to learn about local lore in the residence du jour. My knowledge of Arizona is primarily based on an interest in the history of Tombstone during the Earp years, in which the Superstitions and the Apaches played some role.UTMihm - your comment about recruiting hype and unrealizable expectations is right on the money. The traffic this year has been better, but in past years it was all too common to see multitudes of freshmen projected for immediate starting roles. I thought Redding did pretty well for an 18-year old kid and think he will be significantly better this fall. He's about the same size as Brackens was in Tony's junior year (his last one) and is considerably quicker, although he may not exceed TB's marvelous first step. With a year of Madden for strength and some additional weight, I think he will be outstanding. I simply don't know about the other end, although there is some decent talent in the competition. Wait and see, I suppose.On LBs, I thought the unit performed decently considering we had two true sophs and a redshirt soph, and neither Jones nor Lewis had much, if any, experience at their respective positions. All three made mistakes attributable to inexperience - they'll make fewer this year, I believe. I don't know if they'll become the dominating unit we would like to see - but with Rogers and Hamp clogging the middle, they may not have to. Depth looks shaky, which is why I expect a nickel about half the time.
 
As an interesting (and rather disturbing) aside/factoid, "The Second Coming" is the most frequently quoted poem in congress. Just color me amazed that some of those guys can even read. Ulysses was a ***** to read, but if you are a true masochist, or trying to impress a particularly hot english lit major, try "Finnegans Wake". The whole damn book is written specifically for the purpose of being hard to read. The book itself has been printed fewer times than all the books interpreting what they think it means. It makes you want to tear your hair out.Anyways, enough of my off-topic ramblings. the defense is so much better, it is nothing short of a miracle. To be perfectly honest I would be pleased as punch if they hardly improved at all next year. Our defense is good enough to put us in a position to win every game we play, provided we put some points on the board. I don't want to be like Tampa Bay and win ugly. If our offense were as consistent across the board, I would consider us heavy favorites for a national championship (author's note: for the purposes of this post, I am pretending special teams does not exist, for fear that I too will begin weeping). Supposedly defense wins championships, but to my mind, no defense will ever be perfect. It is possible, with a phenomenal defense to completely shut people down and win ugly, but it is by no means a sure thing. People get lucky, even against the best defenses. If I had to pick a high octane offense or an awesome defense, I would take the offense hands down. Thank god we have both Almost forgot, another interesting aside. University of Chicago used to be a big football school too at one time, but they dropped it because it was too much of a distraction from academics. A UofC player IS the heisman trophy statue. I almost went to school there, but it was too ******* cold in the winter, and I heard the women were homely.[This message has been edited by Ampoliros (edited 02-19-2000).]
 
Amp, "Finnegan's Wake", interestingly enough, was my fallback attempt in gaining literary respectability. I was even less successful with it than with "Ulysses" and declared defeat, in the process accepting cultural mediocrity as my lot in life.I can't tell you much about the U of C in terms of women, although can vouch that at least one of their female grads was attractive, but would agree the winters can be North Dakotan in severity. Any school that featured Amos Alonzo Stagg clearly knew something about football. I think Jay Berwanger is the Chicago player to whom you refer.The good defense vs good offense topic has been discussed numerous times on this, and other, BBS and it's still probably a good topic. I would agree that ugly wins are OK, but sometimes they also turn into ugly Ls, especially with the caliber of "interesting" teams we featured the past two years. I do believe the defense will be better next year than last, although statistically speaking it may not be all that improved. I hope the offense comes around, and earlier rather than later - the talent is there, but the number of questions that must be answered successfully is daunting, to put it mildly.
 

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