Crimea parliament votes to join Russia

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No surprise there
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"Crimea's parliament voted to join Russia on Thursday and its Moscow-backed government set a referendum on the decision in 10 days' time in a dramatic escalation of the crisis over the Ukrainian Black Sea peninsula.

The sudden acceleration of moves to bring Crimea, which has an ethnic Russian majority and has effectively been seized by Russian forces, formally under Moscow's rule came as European Union leaders held an emergency summit groping for ways "



edit to add that is the reuters headline . The parliament voted to join Russia but now the people must also vote for it.
 
I wonder how close the vote will be?

If my Ukrainian friend is right (and she has been so far), this could be a very close vote although I also wonder how fair the election will be. It would not surprise me if Crimea votes to join Russia and, if it does, I am not sure why we should care other than the heavy-handed manner in which Russia handled this issue.

We do need to step up our ability to send LNG to Europe so that Russia loses what little leverage it has. Unfortunately, this will take several years.
 
paso
I am with you on this except I also remember how other countries who appeared to have open voting ended up
All in all though if the Crimean people vote for it we should stay out of it.
Putin sinking his old ships to block Ukrainian ships probably means we and NATO might to do something.

But I hope Putin stays out of the Ukraine and doesn't go back into Georgia etc,
I am not sure sending more F-16's to Poland was a good idea either
 
I think we sent F-15s to Lithuania (maybe we sent some planes to Poland too).

I do not think Putin wants anything to do with NATO countries.

I am concerned about the east and south of Ukraine proper though.

If Crimea is all that is "lost" and the rest of Ukraine turns more pro-west (or anti-Russia), I think this is a net win for us in the long-term.

The election could be interesting.

You might change the thread title to either "Crimean Parliament" or "Crimea 'to vote whether'" to join Russia." It is a little misleading and makes it sound like it is already done.
 
I noted in my OP that I used the Reuters headline but I will change it

so we are sending planes and people to Lithuania, planes and people to Poland ( 12 F-16s) and now a destroyer to the Black sea
all for training purposes don't ya know

I am not sure how I feel about that but I guess we have to do something
 
Per the 2001 Ukraine Census, Crimea is 58% Russian. The major minority (>30%) in the region is Crimean Tartars. They have historically been poorly treated by the former Soviet Union.

For the populous vote, how would you vote if there were Russian soldiers standing outside the voting booths?
 
Husker
thanks for those stats. not as clear cut as just being 58% Russian is it?
No easy answer for the tartars either
and not for us and rest of the world
The real concern now is where will he stop.

it really is boggling to think the world can't do anything
anything reasonable
 
Obama needs to grow a pair and stand up to them like Eisenhower did over Hungary and Johnson did over Czechoslovakia.

Well, maybe those aren't good examples, but by God, he needs to do something to show what a bunch of badasses we are.

Maybe we can invade Grenada again!!!!
 
If the people there are OK with this, they will go along with it. If they aren't, they will commit guerilla acts of warfare until Russia gives them back their own country.
It is up to the governed people, not the United States to impose our will upon the area.
 
So the crisis is contained if Ukraine, the US, and EU just sit back and let Russia annex Crimea?

I am really puzzled by the editorial writers (or peace protestors) who completely invert the order of things. The current crisis was initiated by Russia. It can be de-escalated by Russia. I do not particularly care if Crimea gets annexed by Russia if there is a free and fair vote, but it is silly to blame Ukraine and the West for Russia's aggressive violations of international law.
 
The ethnic makeup of Crimea is 58.3% Russian, 24.3% Ukrainian, 12% Tatar, and 1.4% Belorussian.

The Tatars were forcibly expelled from Crimea by Stalin during WW II for collaboration with the Nazis (a claim the Tatars denied).
 
Where will the people get weapons?

BTW NOW the Crimean parliament has voted to declare independence IF the people vote for the referendum.
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Not to make light on this matter but I think they found out that Russia now carries the LHN...easy decision if you ask me.
 
A fellow Texan speaks. His son, Rand, would disagree with his father's views. Since I work as a geopolitical researcher for a writer who is long-time friends with Ron Paul and shares Paul's views on government, I'm used to the thinking here. And well-aware it is outside the mainstream. Which means I am outside the box, too, I suppose.

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Russia invaded Ukraine. It was an act of war. Just because Ukraine was helpless to do anything about it and wisely decided resisting would only bring more death and destruction doesn't change that.

The old USSR had Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Poland, Finland, Afghanistan, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia. This is the second step (Georgia was the first) of the new Russia's Anschluss.

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Is anyone surprised that the Crimean secession vote ended up 96.x% pro-Russia? With all the Russian troops and pro-Russian biker gangs hanging out in front of the polling stations I'd argue the vote is a fraud.

Russia will have Crimea annexed by the end of March.
 
Seattle,

Are you suggesting that a majority or even a strong minority actually want to stay with the Ukraine? What data do you have to support that?

Obama got 98% of the African American vote, am I supposed to discount that number because no group of people could possibly be so unanimous in a political vote?
 
I think the election was clearly rigged. I also do not think we should do much about this annexation other than sanction and isolate Russia. We should eventually arm the hell out of the Ukrainians.
 
Obama and the left told us in 2008 that we just needed be willing to "talk with" countries like Iran and Russia. And if we just had a president who was as transcendently brilliant, irrefutably persuasive and irresistibly charming as Barack H. Obama, then the whole world would be sure to love us and we would all live happily ever after.

Whatever happened to all of that?
 
On foreign policy, I am in agreement with Roger35.

This is my dilemma. I'm libertarian and conservative on economics. Favor Austrian Economics, free market models, and eschew government central control, regulation, heavy taxes, and social engineering in general.

On foreign policy, I side with Ron Paul. I am against intervention and projecting power. Prefer pulling back and maintaining natural defense, which means we are HERE not THERE.

I recommend Stephen Kinzer's "Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq"
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the sanctions we have placed on russian "officials" seem nothing more than a wrist slap against a few individuals. Freezing assets? that's going to go really far ...

This administration has zero clue on foreign policy and has done nothing but decrease our influence in the world

We need to slap them hard with real sanctions, on Russia actual. and that's only the start of what should be done
 
It was a fraudulent election that Russia probably would have won anyway.

My only question is when we start arming the hell out of Ukraine. My source on the ground thinks that Russia will attempt to take eastern Ukraine at the end of this year and that it will trigger a ground war with Ukraine.
 
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