Coronavirus

We had two clinicians test positive this week only to test negative two days later with a more sensitive test. Anyone think they positive numbers are corrected?

Also, take a day and just count the number of people you see wearing their mask improperly (nose or mouth exposed). I am sitting in a smaller airport and I have counted 29 in the last hour. The country is relying on a failed strategy and bad data.
 
Monahorns said:
Freedom isn't a joke. We all own our own bodies and our property. The government doesn't own us which means that don't have the right to restrict our freedom. To do that is a form of slavery.
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Freedom is an ideal. I hate cliche's, but you know what they say: "Your freedom (or rights) end where mine begin."

What is free? To get sick and pass it on? To then demand government assistance?

That is where my head is at on this one.
 
I would not attend, but I am not a biker either. I can only guess the city of Sturgis depends upon this rally to economically survive. I guess the option is to cancel it and insert a 10,000% tax increase?

As for the attendees, I respect their freedom to assemble. I also respect the freedom of some people to lock themselves inside a bubble rather than force everyone else to live in fear like they do.
 
theiioftx said:
I would not attend, but I am not a biker either. I can only guess the city of Sturgis depends upon this rally to economically survive. I guess the option is to cancel it and insert a 10,000% tax increase?

As for the attendees, I respect their freedom to assemble. I also respect the freedom of some people to lock themselves inside a bubble rather than force everyone else to live in fear like they do.
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I get freedom of assembly and the like. This is a difficult matter. For me, I believe the virus is worse than the flu and I don't want to catch it. I understand flu season could arguably qualify for social distancing, but I've not social distanced and haven't caught it in years including the past two years when I opted NOT to get a vaccine. And I didn't change my lifestyle.

We have no vaccine for Covid. We have all the problems that have been well documented. They cancelled ACL Fest which I've attended the past seven years in a row. I'm over missing it this year. It's not "my being" or anything. It's just something I like to do.

So you have over 100,000 people going to a rally and defiantly eschewing social distancing. Ok. Great. Not impressed with that. Then they fan out to all points.

Say we track a new outbreak to them. Which freedom do we glorify at that point?
 
The same freedoms we have enjoyed since founding this nation that have been reduced during the management of this virus. Freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and freedom of religion to name a few.

Those same people could die from a car wreck, other disease or suicide. It does not change the need of Americans to live free.
 
theiioftx said:
The same freedoms we have enjoyed since founding this nation that have been reduced during the management of this virus. Freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and freedom of religion to name a few.

Those same people could die from a car wreck, other disease or suicide. It does not change the need of Americans to live free.
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I don't want to die because of them having a good time and hiding behind the Constitution to do it.

NO PUBLIC ASSISTANCE WHEN THEY GET SICK.

Of course that would never happen.
 
Horn6721 said:
JFu
You are going to upset the haters on here. Didn't one if them post all the pro HCQ articles were false
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I am among those who dislike Trump but was hopeful for hydroxychloroquine. As a rule, I really like cheap drugs that have been used so long the patents are gone. (My doctors know this.) I think I'm reasonably intelligent, but not confident enough to recommend or dismiss the value of medical treatments based on what I hear from journalists, Hornfans, Facebook, politicians and the like. A long list of side effects doesn't worry me much... cause most drugs have them.

Popular opinion has its uses, but medical researchers and scientists are in the business of facts. No matter how many people believe or disbelieve, facts should ultimately prevail.
 
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Monahorns said:
Freedom isn't a joke. We all own our own bodies and our property. The government doesn't own us which means that don't have the right to restrict our freedom. To do that is a form of slavery.
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Motorcyclists are not easy for the risk-averse to control. Riding a bike to South Dakota and enjoying the great outdoors is probably pretty darned safe. Hanging out in biker bars. ... Hell has that ever been safe?
 
I don't want to die because of them having a good time and hiding behind the Constitution to do it.
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Then stay at home if you are afraid of dying. Your safety is not my responsibility and mine is not yours. No one is entitled to a risk-free life.
 
theiioftx said:
I agree, but let’s add smokers, fat people and drug abusers.
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Yes. I've made that argument with hard Liberals. They refuse to accept it. Personal responsibility means nothing in the political world. A Conservative (IMO) is really about that in many ways. If you want my tax dollars to bail you out then you better believe I'm gonna' call you out. It's BS to watch people abuse themselves then act like sanctimonious lefties.

Can't stand it...
 
Crockett said:
Motorcyclists are not easy for the risk-averse to control. Riding a bike to South Dakota and enjoying the great outdoors is probably pretty darned safe. Hanging out in biker bars. ... Hell has that ever been safe?
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I've joked with people that my immune system was hardened by working in the prisons of Texas in the mid-80s. And then I became a poker player. My immune system would be on a jet-ski mocking some public toilets...
 
theiioftx said:
We had two clinicians test positive this week only to test negative two days later with a more sensitive test. Anyone think they positive numbers are corrected?

Also, take a day and just count the number of people you see wearing their mask improperly (nose or mouth exposed). I am sitting in a smaller airport and I have counted 29 in the last hour. The country is relying on a failed strategy and bad data.
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The masks are to protect others.
 
Study sample of covid positive results for summer elite travel softball. I'm citing this for all the folks wanting to shut down any competition. This included 77 top travel teams from across the country starting in June until this week. These teams play about every other weekend in tournaments across the country with 30-40 teams in each age group playing a minimum of five games and up to about 10 games each weekend.

The results include over 1,000 players and over 2,000 other family members playing/attending over 2,000 games against about 500 other teams thru the summer.

There were confirmed 3 total players test positive and 4 total family members test positive with zero games cancelled.

I attended tournaments all summer long and there was a mix of masks/no masks and social distancing. I would have thought numbers would have been significantly higher based on what I saw.
 
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mchammer said:
The masks are to protect others.
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There is no evidence that masks protect others. And I guarantee someone wearing a mask, but exposing their nose protects nobody.

I switched to a cloth mask over a surgical mask because I find it more comfortable and I think neither really works. When I checked into one of my hospitals last week with the cloth mask, the nurse said,”you will have to put on a surgical mask because cloth does not work.”

It’s a failed strategy that idiot America has gobbled up like popcorn in a movie theatre.
 
FYI, there are right now 52,000 deaths on the CDC excess deaths log that aren't categorized as COVID today. Get ready for media to start saying that they have been under reporting deaths so that they can recategorize these as COVID deaths.

The reality is that these deaths have been caused by the lockdowns; suicide, drug overdose, even starvation, and other negligence due to fear of hospitals and being in public.
 
theiioftx said:
There is no evidence that masks protect others. And I guarantee someone wearing a mask, but exposing their nose protects nobody.

I switched to a cloth mask over a surgical mask because I find it more comfortable and I think neither really works. When I checked into one of my hospitals last week with the cloth mask, the nurse said,”you will have to put on a surgical mask because cloth does not work.”

It’s a failed strategy that idiot America has gobbled up like popcorn in a movie theatre.
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I think it is safe to say there is no peer reviewed scientific study that has conclusively proven cloth mask work for this specific virus. I think there is lots of anecdotal evidence (say what has happened in South Korea) and how effectively such masks inhibit bacterial spread. Admittedly virus are much smaller than bacteria, but what we know about dangerous spread of COVID is that a lot is required to start illness and that means droplets, not just a random individual.
 
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Crockett said:
I think it is safe to say there is no peer reviewed scientific study that has conclusively proven cloth mask work for this specific virus. I think there is lots of anecdotal evidence (say what has happened in South Korea) and how effectively such masks inhibit bacterial spread. Admittedly virus are much smaller than bacteria, but what we know about dangerous spread of COVID is that a lot is required to start illness and that means droplets, not just a random individual.
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I wonder why in March Fauci, the CDC and WHO all said masks were not necessary? Masks are not new technology. They know what they stop and what they cannot stop. They are just keeping the public away from N-95’s.
 
theiioftx said:
I wonder why in March Fauci, the CDC and WHO all said masks were not necessary? Masks are not new technology. They know what they stop and what they cannot stop. They are just keeping the public away from N-95’s.
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There was an article in Slate about this. When medical professionals say masks, they are only thinking N95. When the public folks was saying everyone should wear masks, the medical professionals owners mistook that for N95. The groundswell from the public however was for cloth masks until medical or N95 masks were readily available again. Classic miscommunication problem. The people wanted masks, mostly cloth. The professionals didn’t understand the issue.
 
N95 masks shouldn't be worn for more than an hour or two at a time. If there is immediate serious danger, I would wear longer. But you really can't breath in those things and they have to be sealed properly to work. If you don't, you are more likely to be infected because the N95 will accumulate virus or other particles. I have used them for work when working with nano-level particles that you don't want in your lungs. I had to be trained and tested before I was allowed to use one. Handing them out to the general population is not a good idea. Most people will just make their situation worse and be very uncomfortable in the process.
 
Monahorns said:
N95 masks shouldn't be worn for more than an hour or two at a time. If there is immediate serious danger, I would wear longer. But you really can't breath in those things and they have to be sealed properly to work. If you don't, you are more likely to be infected because the N95 will accumulate virus or other particles. I have used them for work when working with nano-level particles that you don't want in your lungs. I had to be trained and tested before I was allowed to use one. Handing them out to the general population is not a good idea. Most people will just make their situation worse and be very uncomfortable in the process.
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Agreed but medical professionals should have endorsed clothe masks from the beginning and we wouldn’t be having this argument.
 
They shouldn't have because there isn't conclusive evidence that they provide a barrier to a virus. Experts now think Corona floats in the air as an aerosol, which means the whole moisture droplet issue is moot.
 
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