Conservatives vs McCain

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4realhorn

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Why are conservatives so anti-McCain? I'm not as much of a political hack as most people on this forum, but through my eyes McCain seems to me to be more instinctively conservative than Romney. Is it soley due to his opposition to the Bush tax cuts and McCain/Feingold? I mean seriously the fact that conservatives are ardently behind Romney ( a former governor of Massachusetts of all places) is laughable. Am I missing something here?
[Jerry Seinfeld]What's the deal with conservatives and John McCain? [/Jerry Seinfeld]
 
Yeah I realize that, but the question is why aren't they questioning Romney's conservative pedigree? It seems as though he gets a pass on his "recent" conservative transformation, but McCain, who to me is much more genuine, can't be forgiven for the times he strayed from conservative ideals.
 
Well, you mention two big reason yourself in his opposition to tax cuts (his 'there weren't enough spending cuts to go with them" defense is total BS) and his sponsorship of the anti-1st Ammendment McCain-Feingold.

Additionally, conservatives have a huge problem with the McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill from last year. He is trying to paint himself as a changed man on the issue, but conservatives are unconvinced. His stance on 'torture' is also problematic. God Bless the man for his service and what he personally endured, but conservatives believe he is on the wrong side of this issue.

Add it all up and those are several fairly large breaks with what many would consider to be true conservative positions. This is where his problem lies with the conservative branch of the R party.
 
The way I figure it, Romney is clearly the more economically conservative. He was governor of Massachusetts, it's not like he can push through nothing but conservative issues. Sometimes you have to compromise on issues, especially when your constituency is so liberal. LBJ was in much the same situation.
 
You mentioned 2 big ones but he also wrote an energy bill to raIse the fed tax on energy, he voted to block app't of conservative judges ( gang of 14)
here is a bigge
His Director of Hispanic Outreach, juan hernadezm strongly wants any hispanic immigrant to ( as he told ABC news june 2001)
"In an interview on ABC News’s Nightline, Hernandez stated bluntly that he was betting that the Mexican American population in the United States –all generations– “will think Mexico first…”I want ‘em all to think Mexico first.”
he wants them to " invest in mexico", ev en third generation born here
think mexico first but rape the United States.
and this is mc cain's Director of Hispanic Outreach?

no thanks
 
Fair enough, I can concede those points as to why conservatives don't trust McCain. What I don't understand is why these same conservatives are able to give Romney a pass on the myriad of conservative ideals that he has shown to find fault with. Whether it's his past positions on abortion, gay rights, gun control, ect. the only one where he has shown some level consistency in lockstep with conservatives is the issue of taxes. Is the willingness to cut taxes no matter what the be all and end all of what it means to be conservative?
 
WTF?
YOu think it is fine that thrid generation people think " mexico first"? you somehow try to twist it to make it seem like he is only saying help mexico.
. mexico is NOT a poor country . mexico should help mexico instead of expecting Americans to do it for them

I actually edited hernandez's word from the June 07,2001 ABC Nightline interview. a simple search will give u the link.
He actually said
"“I want the third generation, the seventh generation, I want them all to think ‘Mexico first.’”

this is not a good American view let alone a conservative view. IF we don't take care of ourselves first how can we help anyone else?

try this link to his statement from Nightline june 07 2001

LISTEN
 
First of all, the GOP isn't a conservative party. The only ideological conservative in the race is Ron Paul.

Now, I think Romney's appeal to the dead-ender wing of the GOP (Bush's forever loyal ~30%) is that he doesn't confront them with the mistakes of the Bush administration. He actually presents them as victories to be expanded. He presents an alternative history where a heroic President Bush succeeded against impossible odds, achieving the quality of existence that we have today.
McCain, on the other hand, is a reminder of the chance they had to do the right thing, because we all (this Democrat included) know that the country would have been better off through the last 7+ years with John McCain in the office. And if you listen to him, he's not afraid to remind them. Even in his support for the Bush tax plan, he always mentions that his 2000 plan was bigger, had better targeting, and was accompanied by spending cuts. Therefore, he claims, we'd be in a position to cut even more today.
That's got to sting.
 
I agree with you, eflow, but the problem I have is, even though he might be protecting the country/constitution in Iraq, his immigration policies here will have the Southwest overrun and collapsing from within...we've got to have both protected.
 
A lot of people aren't smart enough to understand, or mature enough to appreciate, that the winner has to get a majority of the 538 votes, and that a winning coalition doesn't permit everyone to get their way on all issues.
 
triple,

You should. May I suggest this phrasing: No President has won relying on the ultra-violent paranoid vote and none will.
 
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