Con Ed threatens to evict Ground Zero mosque

MojoMan

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It appears the Ground Zero mosque controversy may be getting ready to fizzle out once and for all. Con Ed, the local electricity provider in that area, has threatened to evict the proposed mosque developers for failure to pay back rent. Also, as discussed at the link in the middle of the article below, the group appears to be having difficulty raising funds for the proposed project.
In any case, hat-tip to Con Ed for jacking up these people's rent as much as they did. However, the proposed mosque developers have filed a lawsuit, on which a hearing is scheduled for November 17th.




 
However, the proposed mosque developers have filed a lawsuit
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shocker, this is what these people do best
 
It seems likely that Con Ed conferred with their lawyers before raising the rent on this property, especially considering the highly controversial nature of this project.

The hearing is scheduled for just before Thanksgiving. Perhaps we will hear some good news that we can all celebrate over that weekend. Such as that the eviction will continue as planned.
 
Mojo, why would it be good news that a community center would be evicted from their lease?

Simply because they are Muslims? Did these people have anything to do with 911? Did they? How can you associate them as such and then cheer for their project to be stopped?

This isnt on ground zero. This conversation has been had before. Where exactly does "ground zero" no longer apply? Its sad that you or anyone else would cheer for their eviction when they have nothing to do with 911. Guilt because of religion?

If this was a Synagogue being built, no one would have a problem with it, and Con Ed wouldnt have raised their rent, retroactively at that. It is simply because they are Muslim.
 
It if was a Jewish temple it may be partly subsidized by the government. If there is proof of nefarious activity or intentions behind the community center, stop it in its tracks. If not, people need to chill out, pretend they are religious if they are and let it go. Isn't forgiveness a merit and revenge a sin? Hypocrites, may you burn in your god's hell.
 
It is simply because they are Muslim.
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you clearly do not understand how the real estate market works in manhattan.
 
I don't care who they are or what they believe. They can pay their rent like everybody else. If they don't then give them the boot.
 
Agree. But if their rent was somehow manipulated and raised (even within the guidelines of the law) because of who they are or are perceived to be, F that.
 
Using Islamic radicalism to oppose the building of a mosque, where 99% of Muslims are against violence and are peaceful people, is a poor viewpoint.

To say that the builders of this mosque are mocking our freedoms is most ridiculous thing I have heard.
 
There are over a billion Muslims in the world. What polls are you looking at, and what are the questions being asked?

I would say that many Muslims in other countries are most likely to say that they are critical of US policies and actions, but I doubt that they support the murder of civilians.

Polls are easily manipulated, especially when you only ask 1000 people and project that onto an entire population of hundreds of millions or more. Who are the people being asked and what are you asking them?

I am highly critical of US policy, but Im not going to kill anyone. I support those people that I feel are oppressed or taken advantage of, but I dont support blowing up buses or planes or buildings. I would suspect that most Muslims, if asked, would share my sentiment.
 
The community center is down the ******* block, not "at Ground Zero." There are at least 7 mosques in Manhattan alone. Anyone who thinks it was built with an ulterior motive needs to adjust his tinfoil hat.
 
So Mojo, you believe that over 500 million Muslims around the world are not peace loving? What are they? Aliens from another planet bent on the destruction of man kind?

Of course you know that most Muslims are peace loving. If you were to visit Iran or Pakistan or Saudi Arabia you would see families living their lives peacefully. They are human beings with emotions and feelings that are the same that you and your family have. A major difference however, is that unlike some places in the Middle East over the last 60 years, you and your family havent had bombs dropped on your heads, tanks rolling down your streets gunfire echoing through the night. You havent had dictators propped up by foreign governments oppressing you. No. You havent dealt with any of that. That is, if you are an American who grew up here and has lived here comfortably all your life.

Those things have a profound effect on people and the way they think and look at the world.
 
Roger,

You quoted me and then proceeded to misquote what you quoted. Im impressed. I did not say anything that you just implied I did. Fantastic
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I absolutely support those that have been taken advantage of and oppressed. Why do you think that means I also support suicide bombers and terrorists? What kind of brain washing have you been subject to to believe that those two issues must be taken hand in hand?

Why do they see America as the enemy? Do you not know? Or do you believe that it is because they hate us for our freedoms? If you dont know Ill be happy to explain it to you.

And you know, Christians and Jews used to wear "blankets" too, and in many cases they still do. You do know what the nativity scene is yes? Wearing "blankets" is a cultural tradition that predates Islam and all western religions. Surely you know that.
 
Part of the problem exists in the way Americans and people in the Middle East perceive the situation. Sadly, American media and most American politicians, on both sides of the aisle (Rick Santorum cough cough cough), continue to proliferate the idea that Muslims hate the USA because of its freedoms and way of life, which couldnt be further from the truth.

These politicians try to hide or deflect the fact that the US has, for several decades now, Arab Spring aside, given billions of dollars to dictators that HAVE been oppressive to their people. There are several prominent countries in the Middle East that this qualifies for. The US has been a state sponsor of dictators, which could be construed as government terrorism. People over there are very cognizant of this.

They see the US invading Iraq and Afghanistan as politically motivated, and they have every right to see it that way. Until further notice I have no reason to see it any other way.

Americans on the other hand, have this perception that even though governments throughout history have oppressed their people or have oppressed other people, that the US government is immune from this. That the US government is filled with good people that would never try to hurt anyone or take advantage of anyone in another country. The only possible reason anyone might try to attack us or hate us is because we are so cool and they are just jealous of how cool we are. This kind of logic is what makes it possible for Bush and Obama to convince people that when something bad happens here, we have no blame whatsoever. That those evil people attacked us because they think we are infidels, or are jealous of us. This is simply just not the case.

As I stated in my first post, while I support those who have been oppressed, and there are many, I do not condone suicide bombers or terrorist attacks. I do not believe that blowing up a bus full of women and children, and men, is the right way to deal with the situation. Islam expressly forbids murder, and expressly forbids judging others. If you kill someone, you are playing God, and you do not know what that person's future will hold. They may end up becoming your best friend, but if you murder them, then you will never know, and that is a sin. You cannot play God.

That said, these people in many cases are so desperate, that they see anyone who is Jewish in Israel as the enemy, so they blow up a bus. It is a very sad thing. Jihad does not mean killing yourself intentionally. These people have warped perceptions of what it means to fight back. Attacking settlers is not the way to go about it, but then again, Im sitting comfortably on my couch and Ive never had to go through checkpoints or be treated like a second class citizen. We can debate why that is the case, but the fact is that people in the Middle East have been subject to many things Americans have not. Saddam Hussein gassed his own people, and Iranians, and the US took Iraq off the State Sponsored Terrorist list. Hows that feel if you are one of the people over there being gassed? Way to go USA.... Way to support that thug gassing us.

Arabs in particular dont forget things. Its a very cultural thing. Revenge is a long standing cultural thing. Arabs are fighters. Its a cultural thing. These are not "Islamic" things as much as they are cultural things that were integrated into the Islamic mindset. You go live in Iraq in the middle ages and see how you act! And this over generations produces a culture akin to fire ants when their nest is disrupted.

That said, while I support the people who have been oppressed for decades by US funded and supported Crooks, while our politicians for the most part ignore it (Notably Ron Paul as the exception), I do not support the murder of innocent Israelis or Americans who have done nothing wrong other than be Jewish or American, which isnt wrong to begin with.
br>Concerning stepping out into the 21st century, thats all a matter of perspective. I respect nuns who wear the habit. They choose to do so according to their religious dictates. Muslim women, by and large, especially those that convert, choose to wear the hijab. Again, it is a cultural distinction first and foremost. There is a natural progression in Islam because Islam states that women should dress modestly so as to not attract the eyes and attention of men who they are not related to not married to. The dress lends itself to modesty.

Now that said, the Quran does not give a dress code. It doesnt say a woman must be covered from head to ankle and only her eyes may be visible. It says to be modest. However, the majority of Muslim women choose to cover up. It protects them quite frankly. It also protects men. It keeps men honest and keeps them faithful to their own wives. A woman's beauty is not a competition with other women.

Again, these are cultural differences as much as they are religious. Of course, being raised in America makes it difficult for most people, men in particular, to understand the difference. Then again, look at the way women dressed in this country 100 years ago. Archaic? Depends on how you define archaic. If your *** and cleavage hanging out counts as modern, and modesty counts as archaic, then I suppose so.....

Just dont misunderstand me. I thought it was quite clear in my first post. One can support those being oppressed without supporting violence.
 

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