Coach Stephen Ambrose Sarkisian.......Staff

[Joe Fan]

Lovo is a UT guy

Reads like "leak plugged"

click image once to enlarge

 

[horninchicago]

I once road in a gondola up the mountain in Colorado with Wayne Rogers and his kids. He talked the whole way. Was very funny, had everyone laughing hard. The kids acted like they knew what was coming but were powerless to stop it
That's all I got on Trapper John

One of my favorite Trapper plays on words retorting Frank Burns, "Are you serial, Frank?"

That's all I have.

 

[Joe Fan]

Another one of these
Shipley maybe gone too
I was hoping he would be one of the ones to stay but one of the ex-players said it came up on the conference all too

 

[Joe Fan]

....I think the way this went down saves the buyout, explains the slow movement

Ash means both coordinators were hired away, which is saving us some money (a mitigation clause is common), which is good.
Now we need Herman to be hired as a HC, that will be the biggest chunk of shekels saved. But there does not seem to be a landing place for him. Maybe little ut eventually?
But even if its not until next year, we should still save something

 

[p_town_horn]

Lovo is a UT guy

Is he required to return the woman and baby upon leaving?

 

[Joe Fan]

On the Banks angle, someone confirmed that his stripper gf did make drastic changes to her social media pages (no longer has a bunch of roll tide stuff). And she now follows the Sark.

Oh boy, here we go

 

[Joe Fan]

IT/Nalin on a call from a sauce about Banks

“That’s a bad mother****er. If he’s not the best in the business he’s very close. If you can get past he’s ****ing crazy. But at the same time, he can conform. He worked for Nick Saban for three years. He’s a hell of a recruiter. A people person. As a coach, just how he does special teams, I haven’t seen it done that way. It’s extremely multiple. Put it this way, you have those smoke and mirror offenses like Bryan Harsin’s with motions and formations. He’s like that on special teams. It never seems like much but it’s a ton of **** to prepare for. I don’t know where he got that **** from but he does it and he’s great at it.”

Can he relate to all kinds of kids? [extended laughter] “Uh yeah, it’s a hell of a hire. My perspective of UT, there haven’t been a lot of guys like Jeff Banks working at UT. You need guys like him in today’s age. This tells me Texas is serious about winning.”​

 

[Joe Fan]

From the Sark booster conference call today
A close paraphrasing

Defense – football is a fundamental game, a lot of times we can get caught up in scheme. But for schemes to work you have to play with great fundamentals. I do think you need multiplicity in today’s college football, there’s too much offense right now. You have to be multiple to handle varying schemes from week to week and make things hard on your opponent. We want an attacking style of defense, we want to be multiple inside, but we don’t want to sacrifice technique just to be multiple. It’ll take some time to grow into that, but ideally we can stem inside and help the guys up front.​

 

[Joe Fan]

Here are a couple more negative Tom Herman stories from IT
I put it in spoiler because I think people just want to move on
But if you are interested .....

Spoiler

" * * * He sort of approached the player’s families in the same way in his initial meeting with them. Numerous parents told us he was treating them like children.

*Charlie Strong’s 2015 class clearly dislikes Herman to this day. Many in that class are of the belief Herman and Yancy McKnight negatively impacted draft grades with NFL scouts and GM’s. One player put it to us in very different terms, “they messed with our money.” Maybe some of the players weren’t as good as they thought, but that’s not the point. Plus, some of them were drafted lower than they should have been. Herman had a chance to create allies and instead did the opposite. This ill-will filtered into the following recruiting class. Failure to create allies was a common theme with Herman. So if you’ve wondered where the vitriol on Twitter comes from...

*The man who publicly preached “family” was notorious for passing players in the hallway without any sort of acknowledgement. A few players would even say 'hi' with nothing in return. The players just stopped talking to him. If you weren't Sam Ehlinger or Bijan Robinson he didn’t have much time for you. You can see why the trilateral commission were smitten with Sarkisian’s use of ”authentic.” When Herman was hired we said you can only be Nick Saban or Urban Meyer if you win. He didn’t win and his demeanor bit him on the backside.

Imagine preaching family, but then when a player of yours is sick you call his house to not check up on him, but rather to see how his brother’s recruitment is going.

* * *

*The inability to be genuine cost Herman on the recruiting trail. He wasn’t a terrible recruiter, but there were times he was too distant, and there were times he was too hands on. Two recruitments that stand out as Herman blunders were Noah Cain and Garrett Wilson. After putting in great work late in the Cain recruitment, Drayton and Herman had Cain all but locked up. At the last minute, Herman got antsy and hard-pressed when it wasn’t needed. He basically challenged Cain and in the process pushed him to Penn State.

Wilson’s recruitment was screwed up a couple of times, and Herman wasn’t aided by Drew Mehringer. Sidebar: An issue we heard about a handful of times was coaches using their current players as whipping boys. They’d show tape and talk down the current player to recruits. This was understandably off-putting, but it was consistent with Herman and McKnight talking down their players to the NFL. That upset Wilson, but there was also a time when Herman was... less than presentable around the parents. The Wilsons didn’t have a favorable impression of the head coach and a recruitment that should have been an easy layup was rejected to the rafters.

* * *

*Meritocracy was absent for much of his time in Austin, especially on offense. Herman was notorious for playing his favorites, which should come as no surprise. It drove a wedge within the team when parents driving to Austin during game week to complain about playing time would actually influence playing time.

*There’s a feeling within the current team Herman started learning too little too late. He became more approachable this year. Mike Yurcich became the primary yeller in practice and Herman toned down some. Previously we wrote there were no good cops to offset Herman’s bad cop routine. That stemmed from Herman keeping yes-men around who were trying to act just like him. It seemed like Herman finally started to get it...."​

​

 

[LonghornCatholic]

I would argue Herman was extremely authentic. A jerk......a proud jerk.

 

[Joe Fan]

Leaving Arnett, Golding and possibly Pruitt
At least those are the known knowns
There could always be another known unknown, or is it unknown known?...

Add Georgia's DC Dan Lanning

Could be some weird chess board maneuvering going on between Bama, UGA and us regarding Muschamp, Golding and Lanning

We will see

 

[mchammer]

Here are a couple more negative Tom Herman stories from IT
I put it in spoiler because I think people just want to move on
But if you are interested .....

Spoiler

" * * * He sort of approached the player’s families in the same way in his initial meeting with them. Numerous parents told us he was treating them like children.

*Charlie Strong’s 2015 class clearly dislikes Herman to this day. Many in that class are of the belief Herman and Yancy McKnight negatively impacted draft grades with NFL scouts and GM’s. One player put it to us in very different terms, “they messed with our money.” Maybe some of the players weren’t as good as they thought, but that’s not the point. Plus, some of them were drafted lower than they should have been. Herman had a chance to create allies and instead did the opposite. This ill-will filtered into the following recruiting class. Failure to create allies was a common theme with Herman. So if you’ve wondered where the vitriol on Twitter comes from...

*The man who publicly preached “family” was notorious for passing players in the hallway without any sort of acknowledgement. A few players would even say 'hi' with nothing in return. The players just stopped talking to him. If you weren't Sam Ehlinger or Bijan Robinson he didn’t have much time for you. You can see why the trilateral commission were smitten with Sarkisian’s use of ”authentic.” When Herman was hired we said you can only be Nick Saban or Urban Meyer if you win. He didn’t win and his demeanor bit him on the backside.

Imagine preaching family, but then when a player of yours is sick you call his house to not check up on him, but rather to see how his brother’s recruitment is going.

* * *

*The inability to be genuine cost Herman on the recruiting trail. He wasn’t a terrible recruiter, but there were times he was too distant, and there were times he was too hands on. Two recruitments that stand out as Herman blunders were Noah Cain and Garrett Wilson. After putting in great work late in the Cain recruitment, Drayton and Herman had Cain all but locked up. At the last minute, Herman got antsy and hard-pressed when it wasn’t needed. He basically challenged Cain and in the process pushed him to Penn State.

Wilson’s recruitment was screwed up a couple of times, and Herman wasn’t aided by Drew Mehringer. Sidebar: An issue we heard about a handful of times was coaches using their current players as whipping boys. They’d show tape and talk down the current player to recruits. This was understandably off-putting, but it was consistent with Herman and McKnight talking down their players to the NFL. That upset Wilson, but there was also a time when Herman was... less than presentable around the parents. The Wilsons didn’t have a favorable impression of the head coach and a recruitment that should have been an easy layup was rejected to the rafters.

* * *

*Meritocracy was absent for much of his time in Austin, especially on offense. Herman was notorious for playing his favorites, which should come as no surprise. It drove a wedge within the team when parents driving to Austin during game week to complain about playing time would actually influence playing time.

*There’s a feeling within the current team Herman started learning too little too late. He became more approachable this year. Mike Yurcich became the primary yeller in practice and Herman toned down some. Previously we wrote there were no good cops to offset Herman’s bad cop routine. That stemmed from Herman keeping yes-men around who were trying to act just like him. It seemed like Herman finally started to get it...."​

​

This is amazing. CDC is no dummy and must have known from day one. Also, you have to wonder if the eyes debate was a proxy for Herman on an unconscious level (I play psychoanalyst on the weekends).

 

[RainH2burntO]

Not too much info, Joe. Thanks for bringing this over here off of the recruiting board. Something never "smelled" right with the manner and attitude some of the recruits, current players, and transfers were emitting/exhibiting...and those saying that is just normal are and were wrong about it. Something was very wrong....and we are starting to get a clearer picture what it was.
It may make us stronger and better moving forward...but we (including Herman) sure missed a huge opportunity.

 

[RainH2burntO]

Here are a couple more negative Tom Herman stories from IT
I put it in spoiler because I think people just want to move on
But if you are interested .....

Spoiler

" * * * He sort of approached the player’s families in the same way in his initial meeting with them. Numerous parents told us he was treating them like children.

*Charlie Strong’s 2015 class clearly dislikes Herman to this day. Many in that class are of the belief Herman and Yancy McKnight negatively impacted draft grades with NFL scouts and GM’s. One player put it to us in very different terms, “they messed with our money.” Maybe some of the players weren’t as good as they thought, but that’s not the point. Plus, some of them were drafted lower than they should have been. Herman had a chance to create allies and instead did the opposite. This ill-will filtered into the following recruiting class. Failure to create allies was a common theme with Herman. So if you’ve wondered where the vitriol on Twitter comes from...

*The man who publicly preached “family” was notorious for passing players in the hallway without any sort of acknowledgement. A few players would even say 'hi' with nothing in return. The players just stopped talking to him. If you weren't Sam Ehlinger or Bijan Robinson he didn’t have much time for you. You can see why the trilateral commission were smitten with Sarkisian’s use of ”authentic.” When Herman was hired we said you can only be Nick Saban or Urban Meyer if you win. He didn’t win and his demeanor bit him on the backside.

Imagine preaching family, but then when a player of yours is sick you call his house to not check up on him, but rather to see how his brother’s recruitment is going.

* * *

*The inability to be genuine cost Herman on the recruiting trail. He wasn’t a terrible recruiter, but there were times he was too distant, and there were times he was too hands on. Two recruitments that stand out as Herman blunders were Noah Cain and Garrett Wilson. After putting in great work late in the Cain recruitment, Drayton and Herman had Cain all but locked up. At the last minute, Herman got antsy and hard-pressed when it wasn’t needed. He basically challenged Cain and in the process pushed him to Penn State.

Wilson’s recruitment was screwed up a couple of times, and Herman wasn’t aided by Drew Mehringer. Sidebar: An issue we heard about a handful of times was coaches using their current players as whipping boys. They’d show tape and talk down the current player to recruits. This was understandably off-putting, but it was consistent with Herman and McKnight talking down their players to the NFL. That upset Wilson, but there was also a time when Herman was... less than presentable around the parents. The Wilsons didn’t have a favorable impression of the head coach and a recruitment that should have been an easy layup was rejected to the rafters.

* * *

*Meritocracy was absent for much of his time in Austin, especially on offense. Herman was notorious for playing his favorites, which should come as no surprise. It drove a wedge within the team when parents driving to Austin during game week to complain about playing time would actually influence playing time.

*There’s a feeling within the current team Herman started learning too little too late. He became more approachable this year. Mike Yurcich became the primary yeller in practice and Herman toned down some. Previously we wrote there were no good cops to offset Herman’s bad cop routine. That stemmed from Herman keeping yes-men around who were trying to act just like him. It seemed like Herman finally started to get it...."​

​

Not too much info, Joe. Thanks for bringing this over here off of the recruiting board. Something never "smelled" right with the manner and attitude some of the recruits, current players, and transfers were emitting/exhibiting...and those who were saying that is just normal are and were wrong about it. Something was very wrong....and we are starting to get a clearer picture what it was.
It may make us stronger and better moving forward...but we (including Herman) sure missed a huge opportunity.

 

[Run Pincher]

This is amazing. CDC is no dummy and must have known from day one. Also, you have to wonder if the eyes debate was a proxy for Herman on an unconscious level (I play psychoanalyst on the weekends).

CDC, Hartzell and BMD's. No wonder they wanted him gone regardless of W/L record. I do believe he was learning on the job, but a man in his 45's shouldn't be learning what I learned in my 20's.

 

[rick mueller]

Here are a couple more negative Tom Herman stories from IT
I put it in spoiler because I think people just want to move on
But if you are interested .....

Spoiler

" * * * He sort of approached the player’s families in the same way in his initial meeting with them. Numerous parents told us he was treating them like children.

*Charlie Strong’s 2015 class clearly dislikes Herman to this day. Many in that class are of the belief Herman and Yancy McKnight negatively impacted draft grades with NFL scouts and GM’s. One player put it to us in very different terms, “they messed with our money.” Maybe some of the players weren’t as good as they thought, but that’s not the point. Plus, some of them were drafted lower than they should have been. Herman had a chance to create allies and instead did the opposite. This ill-will filtered into the following recruiting class. Failure to create allies was a common theme with Herman. So if you’ve wondered where the vitriol on Twitter comes from...

*The man who publicly preached “family” was notorious for passing players in the hallway without any sort of acknowledgement. A few players would even say 'hi' with nothing in return. The players just stopped talking to him. If you weren't Sam Ehlinger or Bijan Robinson he didn’t have much time for you. You can see why the trilateral commission were smitten with Sarkisian’s use of ”authentic.” When Herman was hired we said you can only be Nick Saban or Urban Meyer if you win. He didn’t win and his demeanor bit him on the backside.

Imagine preaching family, but then when a player of yours is sick you call his house to not check up on him, but rather to see how his brother’s recruitment is going.

* * *

*The inability to be genuine cost Herman on the recruiting trail. He wasn’t a terrible recruiter, but there were times he was too distant, and there were times he was too hands on. Two recruitments that stand out as Herman blunders were Noah Cain and Garrett Wilson. After putting in great work late in the Cain recruitment, Drayton and Herman had Cain all but locked up. At the last minute, Herman got antsy and hard-pressed when it wasn’t needed. He basically challenged Cain and in the process pushed him to Penn State.

Wilson’s recruitment was screwed up a couple of times, and Herman wasn’t aided by Drew Mehringer. Sidebar: An issue we heard about a handful of times was coaches using their current players as whipping boys. They’d show tape and talk down the current player to recruits. This was understandably off-putting, but it was consistent with Herman and McKnight talking down their players to the NFL. That upset Wilson, but there was also a time when Herman was... less than presentable around the parents. The Wilsons didn’t have a favorable impression of the head coach and a recruitment that should have been an easy layup was rejected to the rafters.

* * *

*Meritocracy was absent for much of his time in Austin, especially on offense. Herman was notorious for playing his favorites, which should come as no surprise. It drove a wedge within the team when parents driving to Austin during game week to complain about playing time would actually influence playing time.

*There’s a feeling within the current team Herman started learning too little too late. He became more approachable this year. Mike Yurcich became the primary yeller in practice and Herman toned down some. Previously we wrote there were no good cops to offset Herman’s bad cop routine. That stemmed from Herman keeping yes-men around who were trying to act just like him. It seemed like Herman finally started to get it...."​

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Wow, just wow! Hope TH didn't let the door hit him in the a$$! What the H was he thinking with that garbage?

 

[dukesteer]

Is this fun, or what? And JF, you’re my hero.

 

[longhornlegend]

Wow, just wow! Hope TH didn't let the door hit him in the a$$! What the H was he thinking with that garbage?

Those issues listed in the comments are just infuriating when you look at the 5M+/yr and the impact his conduct had on the Texas team. I know we are certainly in a different time but when former players comment on a coach going away and how they were treated, it speaks volumes. Its also not the way that Texas should be. Glad TH is gone, hope no one else gets stuck with his arrogant arse for a while and hopefully he will learn.

 

[dukesteer]

Here are a couple more negative Tom Herman stories from IT
I put it in spoiler because I think people just want to move on
But if you are interested .....

Spoiler

" * * * He sort of approached the player’s families in the same way in his initial meeting with them. Numerous parents told us he was treating them like children.

*Charlie Strong’s 2015 class clearly dislikes Herman to this day. Many in that class are of the belief Herman and Yancy McKnight negatively impacted draft grades with NFL scouts and GM’s. One player put it to us in very different terms, “they messed with our money.” Maybe some of the players weren’t as good as they thought, but that’s not the point. Plus, some of them were drafted lower than they should have been. Herman had a chance to create allies and instead did the opposite. This ill-will filtered into the following recruiting class. Failure to create allies was a common theme with Herman. So if you’ve wondered where the vitriol on Twitter comes from...

*The man who publicly preached “family” was notorious for passing players in the hallway without any sort of acknowledgement. A few players would even say 'hi' with nothing in return. The players just stopped talking to him. If you weren't Sam Ehlinger or Bijan Robinson he didn’t have much time for you. You can see why the trilateral commission were smitten with Sarkisian’s use of ”authentic.” When Herman was hired we said you can only be Nick Saban or Urban Meyer if you win. He didn’t win and his demeanor bit him on the backside.

Imagine preaching family, but then when a player of yours is sick you call his house to not check up on him, but rather to see how his brother’s recruitment is going.

* * *

*The inability to be genuine cost Herman on the recruiting trail. He wasn’t a terrible recruiter, but there were times he was too distant, and there were times he was too hands on. Two recruitments that stand out as Herman blunders were Noah Cain and Garrett Wilson. After putting in great work late in the Cain recruitment, Drayton and Herman had Cain all but locked up. At the last minute, Herman got antsy and hard-pressed when it wasn’t needed. He basically challenged Cain and in the process pushed him to Penn State.

Wilson’s recruitment was screwed up a couple of times, and Herman wasn’t aided by Drew Mehringer. Sidebar: An issue we heard about a handful of times was coaches using their current players as whipping boys. They’d show tape and talk down the current player to recruits. This was understandably off-putting, but it was consistent with Herman and McKnight talking down their players to the NFL. That upset Wilson, but there was also a time when Herman was... less than presentable around the parents. The Wilsons didn’t have a favorable impression of the head coach and a recruitment that should have been an easy layup was rejected to the rafters.

* * *

*Meritocracy was absent for much of his time in Austin, especially on offense. Herman was notorious for playing his favorites, which should come as no surprise. It drove a wedge within the team when parents driving to Austin during game week to complain about playing time would actually influence playing time.

*There’s a feeling within the current team Herman started learning too little too late. He became more approachable this year. Mike Yurcich became the primary yeller in practice and Herman toned down some. Previously we wrote there were no good cops to offset Herman’s bad cop routine. That stemmed from Herman keeping yes-men around who were trying to act just like him. It seemed like Herman finally started to get it...."​

​

Great stuff. One can spot a phony and an egotist a mile away. While I was excited when he was hired, the red flags were quickly obvious.

Not a great analogy but I have never been a fan of Tony Robbins. The raw raw walk on coals stuff smacks of phoniness to me. Robbins is probably well intended. Herman was an egotistical wannabe...

 

[Horn6721]

duke
Me too. Was very excited at first. When I got uneasy feelings I started to think maybe I didn't understand how it should work.
Now I see differently.
How could a guy who had been a head coach act like that toward players let alone parents?

 

[BevoJoe]

Maybe Tom could check this out...


Assistant Football Coach (Part-Time Position)
University of Texas of the Permain Basin 4.3
Odessa, TX

 

[Vino Bevo]

I'm by no means perfect - far from it - but I find it almost impossible to imagine acting that way. As a husband, brother, friend, manager, really any relationship, I'd be embarrassed. I'd also be very lonely. I hope he is able to break out of this as I think it's an awfully sad way to live, regardless of your career or role.

 

[majorfan2005]

Here are a couple more negative Tom Herman stories from IT
I put it in spoiler because I think people just want to move on
But if you are interested .....

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Joe, what did less than presentable mean in this case?

 

[RainH2burntO]

Wow, just wow! Hope TH didn't let the door hit him in the a$$! What the H was he thinking with that garbage?

Those issues listed in the comments are just infuriating when you look at the 5M+/yr and the impact his conduct had on the Texas team. I know we are certainly in a different time but when former players comment on a coach going away and how they were treated, it speaks volumes. Its also not the way that Texas should be. Glad TH is gone, hope no one else gets stuck with his arrogant arse for a while and hopefully he will learn.

Great stuff. One can spot a phony and an egotist a mile away. While I was excited when he was hired, the red flags were quickly obvious.

Not a great analogy but I have never been a fan of Tony Robbins. The raw raw walk on coals stuff smacks of phoniness to me. Robbins is probably well intended. Herman was an egotistical wannabe...

And this^^^^ is but part only of what all was going on and why something didn't seem quite right....but you get the idea.
There is more posted in recruiting and more out there on various boards

 

[dukesteer]

I'm by no means perfect - far from it - but I find it almost impossible to imagine acting that way. As a husband, brother, friend, manager, really any relationship, I'd be embarrassed. I'd also be very lonely. I hope he is able to break out of this as I think it's an awfully sad way to live, regardless of your career or role.

My sense and experience is that “very” few people change. That is, unless they go through a life-changing event, or crash and burn, landing in a very bad place. That has not happened to Herman. Hell, his parting gift for the BS behavior is more money than most of us will make in a lifetime.

But...

Sark has seen the bottom. He gets it. He has been humbled. And frankly, for that reason more than any other, I think that he just might — wildly — succeed this time.

 

[George Bailey]

Bamafan is butthurt

Only in Bama is 'poach' a two-syllable
word.

 

[SabreHorn]

What in Alabama is not at least a two syllable word?

 

[LonghornCatholic]

This is amazing. CDC is no dummy and must have known from day one. Also, you have to wonder if the eyes debate was a proxy for Herman on an unconscious level (I play psychoanalyst on the weekends).

CDC was also wise not to reply to emails from the angry BMDs. He called them personally and kept his discussions on Tom outside FOIA range.

 

[BLucky]

Okay...admit it... did anyone NOT push the spoiler button? Great information. Just getting back to these types of boards. So far I like what I see. Pretty civil discourse and a bunch of shared info.

 

[dukesteer]

CDC was also wise not to reply to emails from the angry BMDs. He called them personally and kept his discussions on Tom outside FOIA range.

Hope Tom Fitton is a Horns fan.