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only 13 so far seems very small. rumors of 2 new ships available soon with recent off field issues. also the 2 juco's brought in last years will be seniors in 2013. seems like we have room for 3 or 4 more.
 
I was amazed that UT was rated the #10 class with only 13 commits.
 
if we don't have any more ships open up we should be able to take 3 to 4 more. If the staff doesn't get the players they want they may hold onto those numbers for next year.

think we land the following along with a possible surprise commit like last year.

Billings
Harrison
Campbell
 
Just a rehash of some pertinent numbers:

Current Srs - 9 (Grant may be eligible for medical hardship waiver if requested)

Current Scholarship Players - 86 (one over limit with Penn St transfer Fera allowed, his scholarship will count toward the 85 limit next year if I recall correctly)

Jr TE Trey Graham still baffles me - Is he on a Medical Scholarship similar to Matt Nader from Westlake where they are listed but due to medical reasons will never play?

The current 13 commits already exceeds the # of scholarships that seem will be available.

There are always some unexpected vacancies - transfers, grades, early graduations, decision to stop playing, etc.

The Juco transfers, Moore and Hopkins, will count on next year's scholarships (2013) which doesn't help the 2013 recruiting haul unless a player is willing to greyshirt.

The numbers always work out! These football dept guys are masters of the roster.
 
Also, 1st day of class for Spring 2013 is Jan 14 so midterm enrollees will be known then.

No idea who is planning on enrolling early from the HS ranks. Anyone know this?

I believe Juco TE Swaim will be in for Spring semester. Maybe some other Jucos, too.
 
I've just been looking around and this is what I've seen. Please correct me if any of this is wrong or out of date.

Evidently still recruiting or seriously looking at:
James Clark WR, Florida
Mark Dodson RB, - connections to new RB coach Larry Porter
Laremy Tunsil OT, Florida, recent interest
Ke'aun Kinner RB, grade issues and waiting on ACT score
Rami Hammed OG/C - Baylor commit

Also report that Deoundrei Davis may enroll early
 
We have 74 ships tied up right now, assuming McCoy and Hicks return. If DJ Grant applies for an extra year and gets it, that's 75 we have filled. Fera doesn't count against the total, so we're technically allowed to have 86. That leaves 11 spots, and we don't have any to apply against last year's freshman class because we gave away all of them already.

I fully expect more than a few to leave because of attrition. There are logjams at several positions for 3rd/4th string guys, and there's no way you sit around waiting for something to open up (unless you're the kind of student who wants to be at Texas for the degree). I'm expecting a WR, at least one OL guy (maybe up to 3), a DT, a LB, and at least one DB to announce their "amicable" departures.
 
Horns11,
I thought the Penn St exceptions to the 85 total limit were only available in 2012. Aren't they required to be included in the 85 in 2013 and beyond?
 
Yes, I just looked it up and you're right. The school who admitted the transfer has a responsibility to lower its recruit count to 24 incoming and 84 total for the following year. Not that we were going to come anywhere close to 24 for this recruiting class anyhow.

Regardless, we'd still need DJ Grant to get his extra year in order to be down to 10 allowed handouts for 2013. With the attrition, I guarantee you we'll have enough for the 12 who've already committed (and the 1 who already signed). In fact, I'd go as far to say that we'll have enough for 4 more commits when it's all said and done, although some of that attrition won't happen until the summer.
 
Someone tell me how A&M can have 35 in their class with what I counted as 16 seniors. Even if they lose 3 juniors, They gotta be way over. Grayshirt some, and some I assume will have their schollies pulled. Maybe there are numbers I don't know as I don't follow their program much, but that number doesn't even seem close to plausible. Maybe one of the A&M posters can comment as I don't want to accuse they'll pull schollies if that isn't the case.
 
They had fewer than 25 in their last class, so some of the 2013 class counts against 2012 (the early enrollees for sure will take over those scholarships).

There will have to be a couple of "come to Jesus (Sumlin)" talks after the spring practices. You're right that they wouldn't be able to stay under 85 total, but it'll be close. Assuming attrition of 6 guys, they'd probably need to kick another guy or two off the team.

I hate rehashing another thread from a couple months ago, but I honestly don't have a problem with that as much as other Horns fans do. If someone isn't pulling their weight in the program, it doesn't matter how sweet and sincere and academically inclined you are to succeed at Texas. Your scholarship is of the football variety. If the grass is greener with someone else, so be it. Students get academic scholarships pulled all the time for not producing.
 
As to the ags, you're assuming 6 guys transfer and another 2-3 are let go. Those are big numbers. As to a player not pulling his weight, what if you are a pretty good player, have done what was asked, but the coaches just feel the next guy in is better and pull your scholly. That's not what college football is about. Guy is screwed at that point. Again, I don't know enough about A&M, but the numbers just seem way out of balance to stay under 85 unless there is a lot of attrition one way or another. I guess it's a nice problem to have, but will piss off the HS coaches at some point.
 
Numbers game:

Assume TAMU has 35 commits.

No one other than mid term Jucos have signed anything so they are not oversigning..... yet.

6 can be counted against last years 25 since they signed only 19.

Add 16 for the 2012 Srs. I don't know if this is valid but will use it as it was stated above.

Add the 3 likely to go PRO.

We are now at 25 (6 for 2012, 19 for 2013).

Someone here or in another thread mentioned players with questionable grades. These guys may be committed but may not get enrolled. For fun, let's say 2 fall in this category. These guys go to JUCO with the intent to return to TAMU later.

Then say 6 more leave due to a variety of reasons (early graduation, playing time, grades, whatever).

That puts the total at 33 accounted for with the max of 25 new for 2013.

Then greyshirt the remaining 2 so they don't count until 2014. I have no prob with greyshirts if the player knows what he is signing up for from the get-go.

There's the magic 35 without oversigning.

I may apply for an SEC scholarship juggler position. Got to be worth a couple hundred grand.
 
That's still 2 grade fall outs, 6 transfers, and 2 gray shirts. That's a lot of assumptions all going down the way a staff planned and a lot of balls in the air at the same time.Time will tell.
 
"As to a player not pulling his weight, what if you are a pretty good player, have done what was asked, but the coaches just feel the next guy in is better and pull your scholly. That's not what college football is about. Guy is screwed at that point."

In a perfect world, we could go back to the pre-limit days of DKR with 100+ scholarships and just bench the kids who aren't performing but let them keep coming to class at Texas. That's just not how it is any longer. Sure, the kid is screwed, but NCAA scholarships even have the fine print to state that it's a year-by-year contract that can be non-renewed. The only fault of their own is just not being a good enough player, and that stinks, but from a football perspective I'd like some different personnel as well.
 
wadster

You are right. That is a lot of unknowns ... to us. I made up those numbers as an example to show how it could be accomplished. I don't believe for a minute that a head coach would have 35 valid commitments on board without knowing a lot of the unknowns.
Maybe Sumlin is going to screw the kids but I doubt it. These guys are experts at the numbers game. Their multi-million dollar livelihoods rely on it.
 
Briefly, the tamu situation looks like this....

1). We only have something like 77 current players on scholarship. We had some guys drop out this past spring/summer and didn't sign much last February.

2). We have 15 seniors. Moore/Joeckel go pro, Thomas Johnson leaves school, and rhontae scales graduates and gives up his last year of eligibility.

3). That puts us around 28 spots without any further attrition. I think folks are expecting 4 or 5 kids to leave/transfer, putting us 32 or 33 under the 85 limit.

4). The 2012 class had a couple early enrollees that can count towards the 2011 class. So the 19 we signed in feb 2012 can be reduced to 16. Meaning we can count 9 early enrollees in 2013 to 2012 to stay under the SEC mandated 25 signees per class.

5). I expect us to sign 32 or 33 kids who will enroll. There are at least 2 kids likely to go juco amongst the group already committed.

6). Haven't heard much about greyshirt but its a possibility.
 
aggy crap I don't reallycare about. I will point out Sumlin won with Brile's recruits and QB and now is winning with Sherman's recruits and QB. Will have to wait three or four years to see if what happened at UH(5-7) with Sumlins recruits will happen at aggy. Seems like Sumlin is like the Cuckoo bird and takes over another birds nest. Yep, Sumlin is possibly the Cuckoo coach, one coach builds the nest with recruits and Sumlin takes over the nest until he is forced to play his *** recruits, then leaves the next coach with *** players. Of course the spin would be that Sumlin is such a great coach, he would have won big with the palyers he recruited at UH. Spare me, I saw what he recruited at A&M last February. He may get a great class this year because of the success of this year and a Sherman recruited QB, but way too early to laud the Cuckoo coach Sumlin or his A&M recruiting until Shermans recruits are gone.
 
This class size issue regarding ships available crops up every year and some needlessly get their panties in a wad about it. Ever since I have been following recruiting (too damn old to admit), we always have left over room, no matter if we sign 30 or 10. In fact you can bank it that in Sept. we will put 2 or more walk-ons on full rides.
My view at this point is that we are short and need about 6 more for the 2013 class.
 
It's not the size of the class. It's the class of the size or talent
to be exact. If they can do it on a major college level.
 
Quality over quantity. If there aren't 2013 players who we believe will project to starters then save the ships until 2014.

And even though we just read about 4 attrition casualties our attrition level for the classes of 2010, 11, and 12 so far has been average to below average. Therefore our roster is full of experienced players ready to contribute.
 
This class has a 3.77 average star rating. Only ND (3.86) and SC (4.43) have higher averages. This average is on par with what Texas generally signs each year. If we're getting quality players where we need them then i have no problem with class size. I believe we're still on track to take 16 or 17 in this class.
 
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