Charlie Weis and his #1 recruiting class

He has had highly ranked classes before this. The man is not a good college coach, period. And we don't even know how great of a NFL coach he was either since the Pat's inserted a new piece in that did the same as he did. But he may not be able to run his own ship, seek and develop talent. Nothing wrong with that, I guess.

They go nowhere. They have to get better this year, right? Do they play every service academy this year as part of their yearly "hard" schedule?
 
Notre Dame had more talent than many of the teams they lost to last year. The man does not know what to do with talent.
 
Man, someone needs to look up the difference between two words, but I cant remember which words they are. I think they were many and all. Yea, someone should totally look it up.
 
Charlie is a great coach...it is not his fault that his talent could not keep up with the powerhouse that is Navy and all of their 5 star recruits.
 
"Every game you will have a decided schematic advantage. They've had the advantage in recruiting because I came late. Now it's time for the X's and O's. Let's see who has the advantage now."

Charlie Weis to his team in 2005
 
Charlie Weis ate many small children vs Charlie Weis ate all the small children. Big difference! At least 2 or 3 kids survive to adulthood in the first instance.
 
Not necessarily. Only one kid surviving could qualify as many. Also, it doesn't specify what percentage Jabba ate of each child. If he only ate 30% of one child and 100% of the others, that might qualify as many if you were using a majority rules definition for said consumption. Under a supermajority definition, he could eat up to 65.4% of a child and still not count as having eaten them.
 
Who thinks Jabba will be able to do anything with these boys, next season or ever?

I do and I've watched every game the man has coached at ND.

Weis is an excellent coach who walked into a situation that many ND fans were screaming about three years ago. People claim that we are/were racists for wanting Willingham fired. Nope, we just understood our program and college football and we saw what was happening to it under his leadership.

Weis inherited Willingham's mess of a roster which included only 66 total players. It was like we were on sanctions, but we weren't. Included in that lot were the current Jr and Sr classes, which were the two worst recruiting classes in ND's history #32 and #40, and those two classes contained a grand total of 20 players (including a staggering 3 OL).

Why did ND's OL look so bad? Because 8/11 guys at the position were either true freshmen or true sophmores. Couple that with OL being the position that takes the longest to develop players for and.........hello disaster.

End result was this year Weis essentially had to jump over his core leadership classes (Jr and Sr) and go right to playing true freshmen and true sophomores (his only two full recruiting classes) at critical positions against a schedule that opened with 8 straight bowl opponents.

If Mack Bown or Pete Carroll coached ND they would have had their heads kicked in the same way, as there is no formula to leapfrog over giant positional holes on an inherited roster (ND doesn't take JUCO kids so that's wasn't an option).

In closing I'll leave you with an Indianapolis Star article written after USC beat us 38-0 at home.

Just keep in mind two things

1) When the coach saw it coming Charlie Weis was with the NE Patriots and was nowhere near NDs football program.

2) The man who was head coach at the time almost got fired from Washington this year. It was only because the school didn't want to be subjected to being called racists that he was allowed to have another year. His boss (AD) got fired though.


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Carroll says he foresaw Irish's fall

SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- Notre Dame doesn't just have difficulty winning football games. The Irish are having a tough time avoiding complete blowouts.

USC coach Pete Carroll said he isn't completely surprised the Irish are struggling.

"Three years ago, you could see it coming," Carroll said.

"They had all the juniors that played and started, and they had a really good team. Then they were seniors the next year, and they were fortunate to keep a few of those seniors around.

"Now it's all about recruiting. If you're (not) able to restock, it's hard to recover from all those losses."

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Weis has had three straight top 8 classes and now and you'll start to see ND rebound as our young guys now have some experience and another year of weight work behind them.
 
Does anyone really care how ND does?

And is it just me, or does Notre Dame kinda suck almost, almost, like OU does?
 
It could be argued that they did far better (regular season production)

That can't be argued.

What can be pointed out is Weis fashioned an offense in NE that won super bowls with 6th round draft picks like Brady, David Givens, and Troy Brown, RB Antowain Smith and an OL that were basically 2nd day picks and undrafted FAs. This included one cat who never even played college football.

In contrast the current Ne offense as a 1st round pick at RB and two #1 picks at WR (Moss, Stallworth) and high priced FA in Wes Welker who may be the most important player on that team.

In some Weis produced with not a lot of talent. The same can't be said for NE's new OC.
 
ND91,

There is no doubt that Notre Dame under Willingham didn't recruit up to its usual standards, but they still out recruited by a large margin a lot of the teams that you lost to this year. Here's a brief comparison of ND classes vs some of your opponents(I'm using Rivals rankings) I can never get formatting right on Hornfans, but the left most column is the year and each subsequent column contains the ranking for that year for the school indicated at the top of that column.

YR ND GT BC AF Navy
03 12 50 24 100+ 100+
04 32 56 24 100+ 100+
05 40 62 49 100+ 100+
06 8 57 37 100+ 100+
07 8 18 46 100+ 100+

ND lost to all 4 of those teams and they didnt have anywhere near the talent that ND did. When the differences are this large its not a matter of "well this guy didnt pan out etc..." its a matter of a coach not taking advantage of the talent advantage that he has.

Or I suppose you could take a different approach and make the argument that ND sacrificed its season by playing young talented players from the last two classes, while AF, BC, Navy etc...played their seasoned not as talented players. Personally, I would take talent every time if forced to make that choice, but worst case the difference in experience should just even the playing field , not result in an 0-4 record. BTW, You can win with young players, just look at Florida. Using Rivals depth chart info for ND vs FL you see that Florida won playing with a YOUNGER team than ND

2007 Roster FL ND
SR 5 8
JR 6 5
So 6 6
Fr 5 3

Next year Florida will be a contender for the MNC and a probable top 5 team....ND, not so much. Now I fully expect ND to be better as these players mature, but the evidence is clear to me that Charlie Weis is a below average coach. Now that ND is racking up top 5-10 recruiting classes, he should be able to have winning seasons, but is not worth anything what you guys are paying him. He is getting paid like one of the top echelon coaches and has yet to show me any reason why he should get that ridiculous salary. He got outcoached by the service academies for god's sakes
 
With Ty's players Charlie did okay. With Charlies players Charlie does piss poor. And ND is racist, ty for trying.
 
In the year that New England may have cheated v. the Rams...who was their coordinators on both sides of the ball?
 
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