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BigWill

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I've been a fan of his for a long time.

But...

They need to park him. Maybe for longer than a week. Maybe for 3. If Helton doesn't do it, Jack needs to.

Somebody coulda been killed. Not just Keslowski, but some poor sap sitting in the grandstands drinking a beer enjoying his day coulda been killed.

If Carl has a raging hard on for Keslowski, he needs to drag him out of his motorhome and kick his ***. That would be one thing.

This was ******* stupid. Carl needs to be slapped, really really hard.
 
there was no reason for Carl to go after Keselowski at that time, and certainly not at that speed and so blatently. Someone could have been killed. Carl may have some good reasons to go after Keselowski, but that was not the place or way. I have no doubt Carl just thought it would spin him off into the wall or infield. Carl didn't mean to make him go airborn or fly towards the grandstand. Still. parking him 3 weeks would be fair.
 
I was getting to this in the Talladega thread...

I agree with all of this.

- Keselowski is a punk.
- It doesn't justify what CE did.
- It ruined what was shaping up to be a great ending, the way JPM was eating up the gap.


I'll just add that NASCAR can shift the blame to Carl Edwards if they want, and yes, he should be penalized. However, it's NASCAR's willingness to look the other way on this crap in the past that has led to this and many other similar incidents. They need to decide and clearly define what's going to be allowed, what's not going to be allowed, and set standard penalties for certain types of contact and other conduct, then enforce them rigidly and consistently. I know this would be uncharted territory for them, but it needs to be done.

We see moves like this all the time in NASCAR. It just doesn't always end with the car going airborn. Are they only going to penalize the offender when the car flys?

Jeez...here's a quote from my OP (from 4/27/09) in that thread:

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an interesting conundrum

NASCAR really has put itself in a difficult spot here. I mean wasn't Carl edwards just "having at it" the way NASCAR officials said before the season they wanted the boys to? They said they wanted the drivers to police themselves. Isn't that what he was doing? They can have it both ways, but not without appearing hypocritical, and they're probably going to find they'll need to do the policing in their series unless they want the wheels to come completely off. Do they really want the inmates running this asylum?

Thought this was interesting as well.

How many of these incidents were penalized? Has Keselowski ever been penalized for his BS, which has led to much of this? Are they only going to penalize drivers who retaliate or send someone airborn? Serious questions. I don't know.


It's pretty hilarious that Keselowski, of all people, is calling for Edwards to be penalized harshly. He might want to be careful what he wishes for. First, he was the instigator of this mess with his continued out of control tactics. Second, if NASCAR is going to crack down on this kind of thing, it'll likely hit BK particularly hard.

I also find it interesting that there's such an outcry now. There wasn't much of one when the roles were reversed last year and Edwards' car almost went into the stands at 'Dega. Nor has there been much said when driver after driver's races were ended in less spectacular form, but no less intentionally or maliciously.
 
Some of those didn't look at all like Keselowski's fault, particularly most of the stuff with Hamlin. He's definitely at fault in one or two of Edwards things, but I don't see him at fault in either Talladega last year or early in the race this year. Both times he got his nose ahead of Edwards' rear bumper and Edwards cut across. What's to be considered the point at which the trailing car is no longer to blame?
 
just heard Jimmy Spencer on the radio.

He said Keslowski deserved it; that he's a little ***** that needed to be taught a lesson.

He said that you need to race a guy the way he races you. He said if you're racing Mark Martin for a win, you don't put a scratch on him...if you're racing Dale Sr. you shove him out of the way if you can.
 
Yeah, well, they really ****** up before the season, telling the boys to "have at it" and to "police themselves".

They put themselves in this position. What a bunch of complete idiots.
 
Heard Jeff Burton on Sirius last night.

First off, Burton is the best interview in all of sports. He's candid, articulate, and thoughtful.

Burton is throwing BK under the bus. He says that BK has decided that he's a badass and isn't going to take any **** from anyone. He said that if it were he and Mark Martin at Talledaga in that exact situation, that the wreck never would have happened, because they would have both given up the spot to avoid the wreck. He says BK will never give an inch to anyone, and he thinks that this will happen to BK over and over until he learns a little give and take. He said that BK is all take, no give. He said he has no problem with the way Edwards races, because Carl has learned to "balance" his agressiveness.
 
You'll hear announcers talk about this give and take all the time in other racing series...how it takes two drivers to make a successful pass happen, not just one. They also talk about how some guys just don't get that, and BK is one of those.

When someone has you beat by all but a few inches just give it up and keep racing. It's a marathon, not a sprint. To fight that hard over one pass in the middle of a NASCAR race is ridiculous. Passes in NASCAR are a dime a dozen. He's gonna get plenty of chances to get that position back. You don't end other guys' days and possibly your own over it.
 
in an interview with Scene Daily, BK basically says "if I quit driving like a dick, then the terrorists have won".
 
I most definitely do not like or follow NASCAR, but I have read some about this particular situation. I assume this Keselowski fellow is a relative newcomer, and I guess he wants to establish himself -- announce his presence with authority, as it were. He makes no apologies for his aggression on the track, and he won't back down.

So, when someone dies -- another racer, or a spectator in the stands, or a pit crew member -- he'll say he's sorry the guy is dead, but he's not sorry that it was his aggressive driving that made the guy that way.
 
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