California leading the way

Mr. Deez

Mr. Deez

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I originally thought this was just Fox News giving a biased story. However, I read the actual bill, and it pretty much does what the story says it does. Link.

And this is going to be good for people in my business. The school system in California is about to become Lawsuit Central. Have fun guys.
 
It would be nice if Cal disappeared to the bottom of the Pacific.
 
This is a tough one. Sucks for kids who are truly struggling with gender identity to be forced into restrooms and locker rooms that further reinforce their shame and humiliation. On the other hand allowing them choice based on assertion of gender identity rather than physical biology can create discomfort for the other kids.
 
This won't last long. Pretty soon the gov't will require a separate family bathroom in all gov't facilities and then soon after that all facilities.
 
Do the students or families have to notify administration that they are transgender? If not, it sounds like a boy could walk into a girls restroom and teachers couldn't do anything about it. Even though they lost, I'm glad that school districts held out as long as possible against this stupidity. I support anti-bullying measures and additional resources for student with these issues. They clearly have a tough road ahead of them. However, I do not believe they have the right to infringe on the right to privacy in the restroom of other students. I also think the 6'6 transgender boy shouldn't be able to dominate girls basketball.
 
I'm generally pretty open-minded to other views and try to be reasonable, but this is one of these issues where the opposition is truly full of ****. I can't believe they're even taken seriously in public discourse. People can agree to disagree on the legitimacy of transgenderedness, but the idea that we would decide what bathrooms and dressing rooms one uses on something other than objective criteria is just absurd. Do people really not see the potential calamity that is almost surely to arise from this?

Obviously, you have the issue of having a "girl" (or alleged girl) with a big swinging schlong showering and dressing next to your 16 year old daughter. However, what happens when it goes the other way? You've got a "dude" with T&A showering and dressing around a bunch of 16 year old boys with raging hormones. What could possibly go wrong??

Seriously, these schools are going to spend a lot of time in court. When the "girls" start getting attacked in the boys locker rooms, the transgendered kids' parents are going to start suing. When the "boys" that are pretending to be "trannies" to get to see chicks naked get out of hand in the girls locker, lawsuits will start flying the other way. It's going to be a clusterf*ck in both directions.

But I suppose what's pissing money away and promoting sexual abuse in comparison to the "benefits" of promoting a politically correct and "tolerant" agenda?
 
Larry, once schools were forced to become tools of social justice and engineering instead of institutions of learning, they were forced into a mess that they couldn't possibly deal with. The primary thing those efforts have done is give crappy parents a crutch on which they can blame their own kids' failures.

We need a complete overhaul of public education. I don't just mean reform of education policy. I mean that we need to completely rethink the role public schools have in society. I hate the "no child left behind" mentality, and I'm not just referring to the law. I'm referring to the attitude, the mentality, and the goal.

Schools should exist to provide educational opportunities to children by providing an orderly environment in which they can learn. They should not be required to bend over backwards to make sure kids take advantage of those opportunities. They also should not be required to raise or socialize children. That is the job of parents, and schools have neither the time, resources, nor legal authority to do that.

For example, if I had a son in your class who misbehaved, I would warn him that if his teacher told me he was misbehaving again, I'd start dishing out ***-whippings that would get worse every time his teacher told me he was misbehaving, and then I'd follow through. You're not allowed to do that. You have to "entertain" him and redirect him to keep quiet to try to keep order. We know that's a meaningless crock, especially when it comes to dealing with boys.

If parents are checked out and won't deal with their kids and they repeatedly misbehave, they should be removed from the classroom and eventually the school so they don't interfere with the education of students who do behave. Protecting the quality of the education given to the children who do behave should be paramount, not mollycoddling the bad kid with the ****-up parents in hopes that they'll one day "reach him." Furthermore, those kids should become the responsibility of the parents through the imposition of penalties and fines. Make the kids' misbehavior impact the parents, and they parents will wake up. And if they don't, then leave the kid behind. It's sad, but there's simply nothing the school system can do on a broad scale to keep that from happening.

Do all that, and you can get rid of the shrinks, the "counselors," and most of the special education experts, (keep a few of them around for truly retarded and impaired children who are trying to learn). Just shut down the "bad kid cottage industry."
 
is this such a huge problem that the only way to solve it is to infringe on the privacy of school children who do not have an identity problem?

Say there are 1000 female students who identity with the parts they were born with. How many students that were born with man parts but think of themselves as female would be a reasonable number to justify this chaos and problems?


I think there are some schools NOW that allow transgendered students to use the teacher restrooms but that also has been criticized as it " might ' lead to ridicule from the other students.
of course we all know school kids are never cruel. and for sure there won't be any ridicule from male students toward Michael/ Michelle when she starts using the girls locker rooms.
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I also quickly wanted to add that the laws and education code need a complete overhaul as well. So much of the crap that we deal with is court ordered. When a misbehaving child missing class causes schools to get sued (and lose) we are in no way set up to be successful. When a student doesn't do any homework and the parent refuses conferences but the teacher is the only one held accountable after a failing test, we are in no way set up for success. I could go on with examples forever, but ill spare you.
 
larryT
NOTHING is more unfair than to expect a teacher to get the same results out of kids who don't care and whose parents don't care

but
this
"The schools where 30% of their population is homeless get the same tests as westlake and the students must perform at the same level."

Do they really need to perform at same level or only pass?
Didn't they lower the bar for passing?
IIRC on most tests a student can pass by answering fewer than 50% of the questions correctly
 
That is correct, but the percentage of questions answered correctly will increase each year until 2016. At that point 8th graders will have to answer 87% of their math questions correctly to pass. Yet, somehow we are supposed to meet that number without just running a test prep course for 9 months?
 
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